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re: Graeme Phillip Harris indicted for James Meredith statue incident

Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:29 pm to
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:29 pm to
Flecia C. Adams is the reason for this. Jackson State grad. She will indict for any reason at all for a hate crime.

But, you can't hate a statute.

And, when I talked to James, he thought it was funny. He didn't want the statute at all.
Posted by TWDRebel
Member since Feb 2015
9 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:02 am to
Holder is a race baiting shite stirring.

This will do nothing but cause us problem.

I bet the Kkk is puting in a plan to have another rally down here.

Posted by GoodOleArchieWho
Oxford, MS
Member since Mar 2013
264 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:11 am to
Good. This kid is a retard. No matter if the kid is truly racist or not, he has to realize there are some things that are just inappropriate. Consider this culling the herd.

This won't cause any more problems than the stunt this jackass pulled.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:09 pm to
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Well, had he hung it from the fricking Tad Pad, Holder would bring the same charge.


Do you really think that hanging a noose on the basketball gym and hanging a NOOSE around the fricking statue of James Meredith are the same thing?
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:19 pm to
A year after all the 50th anniverasry events on campus for James Meredith, a student hangs a noose around the statue with a rebel flag and you guys want to pretend that it's not a big deal?

Ole Miss busted their arse trying to change their perception and this frick up took a big dump all over their hard work. frick this dude. He deserves everything coming to him.

"It's just a statue" Yeah the statue of James fricking Meredith. If a noose around that significant of a black person isn't meant to incite fear in a race of people, I don't what is.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:03 pm to
Agreed. Also, I live and work in NC. I can't stand when shite like this hits the news, and reinforces all of the dumbass stereotypes people up here already have of us. I really am amazed at the level of ignorance I'm met with up here when I tell people I went to Ole Miss (think hurrr durrr illiteracy/obesity/racism type comments). But I really can't blame them for their uninformed views, when the PR we get here is for shite like this.

frick that little shite.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27189 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:35 pm to
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This isn't really a DOJ case.

It should be a vandalism to property over $xxx and not much more.


This.

A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. There really is no need (or much basis) for a federal civil rights case here. It only brings unwanted new attention to this and does nothing to help the University. Didn't these degenerates get kicked out? That and a hefty state court fine should be enough.

Let's flip this: if some non-white kids hung a sign around the soldier in the circle stating "X Color Power!" would it even garner a modicum of any law enforcement or media attention? I mean-some students' families may have fought in the University Grays-and they might find that highly offensive, if not be intimidated by it. Would this be a hate crime?

Hate crimes are a pander, anyway. Nothing more, and nothing less. Generally, and as has been slowly eroded, you have to prove intent and/or malice (mens rea) as an essential element of the crime, unless strict liability was written into the code-like statutory rape. Now, it is glossed over by many prosecutors, and ignored by defense attorneys and jurors, to the detriment of a defendant, but it is still there.

All hate crimes are based on underlying other crimes-which carry their own punishment and, as stated above, already have an intent and/or malice element. In this case, vandalism is the underlying crime, and the mens rea was obvious in the act: placing a noose on a statute of the man who integrated Ole Miss obviously had race implications.

The "hate" in a hate crime is codifying a second layer of crime based on intent and/or malice prefaced on the crime's "message" to a person or certain group of people, rather than, in this case, towards the victim (which is the University). "Hate crime" at its core is "thoughtcrime." See Orwell, George, 1984.

inb4TL/DR
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 8:28 pm
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10745 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

Let's flip this: if some non-white kids hung a sign around the soldier in the circle stating "X Color Power!" would it even garner a modicum of any law enforcement or media attention? I mean-some students' families may have fought in the University Grays-and they might find that highly offensive, if not be intimidated by it. Would this be a hate crime?


Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 1:03 am to
Uncle Tom: inappropriate? Yes. Stupid? Yes?

Criminal and facing prison time? No.

Free symbolic speech rights guaranteed to all Americans. See Texas v Johnson.

Why did it take over a year for this ??

He will plead to a probation -- slap on the wrist and Felicia hangs a banner in her hall. Before she is replaced in 2016 when we get good government back in the WH. The banner will be donated to Jackson State.
Posted by hehatedrew
New Zealand
Member since Oct 2009
25504 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 8:52 am to
Nail on the head. If he was just wanting to put some rope on a statue he could have done it on Vaughts and nothing would have come of it

The kid doesn't just dislike statues, he dislikes certain peoples statues. I would imagine he has a plot for Martin Luther Kings too
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10745 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:53 am to
Some of y'all are Mississippi through and through
Posted by umrebel2009
Member since Feb 2010
7283 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 1:03 pm to
His parents need to be arrested for giving him that name, how the frick do you pronounce Graeme
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