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re: Radi saying Mark Fox may be considering the Arizona State job
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:15 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:15 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:57 pm to dawgfan24348
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Real question is how are the Florida's and Ohio State's doing both?
Thad Matta is a great recruiter in a loaded state.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:16 pm to VADawg
I don't think ASU is a step up. It is a mid level at best in the PAC 12 that will always be 2nd fiddle to Arizona.
Fox has worked hard to slowly change the perception here and build a program and I think he is finally getting to the point where that is happening. A more successful season, lot of returning players, good recruiting classes coming in.
He is from Kansas, I could see him someday taking a job in that area. Also has experience in Seattle where his wife is from.
He has had other job offers that he has turned down, don't see him leaving now.
Fox has worked hard to slowly change the perception here and build a program and I think he is finally getting to the point where that is happening. A more successful season, lot of returning players, good recruiting classes coming in.
He is from Kansas, I could see him someday taking a job in that area. Also has experience in Seattle where his wife is from.
He has had other job offers that he has turned down, don't see him leaving now.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:21 pm to TigerinUGA
I don't think it is the coach for the most part. We had a glimpse with Tubby. I think if he stayed, we could have moved up a notch, but what are we doing wrong? We have a ton of local talent. Damn near as much as Flrodia and Id think more than Onio.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 12:53 am to tween the hedges
You can't move on up till you prove yourself and Fox has a ways to go to prove that. He will have to get Georgia to the NCAAs consistently before bball focused schools really take a look at him.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:04 am to dawgfan24348
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Real question is how are the Florida's and Ohio State's doing both?
Well Ohio State has won a national title, has 4 final fours, and 15 elite 8s (3 of which are this century). They have been to the tourney 7 times this century. They also have a 19,000 seat arena. So you can't just say "they're a football school like we are, we should be good at basketball like them". They have a history of doing well in basketball, including a recent history of doing very well.
Florida did the same thing with basektball as football...they got a great coach to come in and STAY and see the program through. When BD came to UF, the program had 5 NCAAT appearances in its history. They've had 14 since. Pretty much every meangingful accomplishment they've had in their history has been because of BD. Thad Matta has taken OSU to the tourney 9 times in 11 years.
That's the whole thing about UGA basketball...we've HAD the coaches, they just haven't stayed. You really think that if Tubby or Harrick had stayed here for 15 years (without getting in trouble I mean, I'm just speaking on longevity) we wouldn't look completely and totally different as a program? Of course we would. If either of those guys had stayed around a while there is NO reason why we wouldn't be a top 15 bball team every single year.
Fox isn't anywhere near those guys' level, but he's adequate. He's good. He's an above average Xs and Os coach and a subpar recruiter but he is clearly improving in that area. If he were to leave and us have to start from scratch, yet again, not to mention the likelihood of losing recruits we already have.....it would just be a nightmare scenario for the program. That is, unless we went out and hired a grand slam coach but how many of those are for hire right now?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:28 am to WG_Dawg
UF started getting the top recruits all ofa sudden. What did they do?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:30 am to Peter Buck
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UF started getting the top recruits all ofa sudden. What did they do?
All of a sudden...when? When BD got there?
I'm a little confused on what you're asking.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:16 am to WG_Dawg
They pumped a lot of money into the program. A lot. No way your going to get Gerogia to find that kinda support. Florida isn't as football centric as southern states are.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:19 am to athenslife101
most of Donovan's big recruits are from outside FL
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:26 am to WG_Dawg
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It's not popular, but we really don't need Fox to leave right now. One of our biggest issues as a program has been a lack of any sort of consistency. Do I think Fox will win us a title? No, I do not. But the overlap between coaches that could do that here and coaches that would come here if Fox were fired is probably non-existent. Despite his faults, Fox is actually a pretty decent coach. His issue has been recruiting. However, he is starting to turn that around. We'll have a fairly solid roster next year, and the year after we're bringing in 2 four star guys. A john calipari isn't going to come to UGA and make us nationally relevant in one year, this job is a process.
Let's also keep in mind that UGA has 12 tourney appearcanes in our entire history, 2 of which have been under fox in the last 5 years. One of the other 12 was about the most miraculous, fluky tourney entrance you can imagine. So while he's not elite, he's actually pretty good. And I have no reason to think he won't continue to have us be good. UGA basketball has always been historically a 1 step forward, 3 steps back type of program. Never was that more evident after the harrick debacle. Losing fox right now would put us back several steps yet again.
Nail on the head.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:26 am to Croot
Another thing about BD is that in addition to the fact that he has been there forever, he's also really damn good. Felton being here for 15 years wouldn't have made any difference. This is from wiki about BD
We don't need calipari to be successful. We just need a good coach to be here for a while, like I said if tubby and harrick had stuck around we'd be just as good as florida.
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With few talented players on the roster, Donovan's first two Florida squads had records of 13-17 and 15-16. There were some signs of improvement, however, as the 1997-98 team was invited to the NIT, and Donovan's "relentless" recruiting during this period set the foundation for future success. Donovan finally brought lasting success to the Florida basketball program during the 1998-99 season. The Gators went 22-9, earning 20+ wins for only the fifth time in history and starting a streak of 16 consecutive 20-win seasons
We don't need calipari to be successful. We just need a good coach to be here for a while, like I said if tubby and harrick had stuck around we'd be just as good as florida.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:52 am to Croot
What's the point?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:23 am to Croot
If Fox sticks around that would be big for the program. And he doesn't necessarily have to be the best recruiter in the world if we become more consistent, but I would like an ace recruiter on the staff. That would be big for the program.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 12:09 pm to Peter Buck
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Why can Villinova and Wichata State and Gonzaga recruit better basketball players? What resources do they have that we do not?
I can only speak on Villinova because I've lived in Philadelphia for a while, and its because of their locstion they can get good talent from Philly, NJ, NY, CT, and Delaware.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 12:16 pm to Peter Buck
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Why can Villinova and Wichata State and Gonzaga recruit better basketball players?
Because those are far better basketball schools than us. That's like asking why can some school like clemson recruit better in football than kentucky...name brand isn't the same across all sports.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 12:42 pm to WG_Dawg
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Why can Villinova and Wichata State and Gonzaga recruit better basketball players?
Because those are far better basketball schools than us. That's like asking why can some school like clemson recruit better in football than kentucky...name brand isn't the same across all sports.
that should not be definitive. What are they doing? We are not short of area talent.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 12:55 pm to Peter Buck
'ohio state spends $180k per player
UF $100k
UGA $60k
I wonder how that works?
UF $100k
UGA $60k
I wonder how that works?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:07 pm to Peter Buck
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What are they doing?
All 3 of those schools have very good to great coaches and have been very good to great programs for quite some time. Like over a decade.
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We are not short of area talent.
Of course not. But as of now the talent has no reason to come here. If Fox continues to improve like he has been, eventually they will come.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:09 pm to WG_Dawg
Area talent should not be the excuse.
Being a football school is not a sole reason.
Being outspent 2 to 3 times seems more plausible.
Being a football school is not a sole reason.
Being outspent 2 to 3 times seems more plausible.
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