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A Question For Serious LSU and Tenn Football Fans About Chavis

Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:44 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:44 pm
If Chavis was given a team of all average talent-all three stars- what positions would need to be upgraded first in order for Chavis's system to have a positive effect?

Follow up question:

If that team could NEVER upgrade a position-like one position was always going to be three star level-what position's stagnation would hurt Chavis's system the most? Hurt it the least?

Thank you in advance. Oh and please note I am not talking about A&M per se, just all hypothetical.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38215 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:48 pm to
Dominant defensive tackle(s).

ETA:

3 star LBs hurt the least

3 star defensive backs hurt the most

ETA2:

His system needs a monster on the interior defensive line with above average LBs to shore up the front 7. The defensive backs have to be able to cover tons of field so having average DBs will hurt a lot.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 4:53 pm
Posted by BuddyLAM
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
2633 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:49 pm to
Chavis' D struggles with average players but with above average talent his D shines

He is a good coach but not a great one
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19043 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

If Chavis was given a team of all average talent-all three stars- what positions would need to be upgraded first in order for Chavis's system to have a positive effect?


You are going to need an assload of DB's. In hindsight he has not developed DT's in his tenure here. He has put out some pretty good LB's and DE's though. I don't know how much he has developed his DB's (as opposed to the DB coach) but they are paramount to his defensive scheme. If you can't play man coverage on the outside you are in trouble. His scheme needs the CB's to play on an island by themselves so his other DB's and Lb's are more free to freelance and make plays.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 4:56 pm
Posted by psk_Vol
Nashville
Member since Jan 2012
3670 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:55 pm to
He is a great DC until critical last drives when he seemingly goes into prevent mode.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19043 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

He is a great DC until critical last drives when he seemingly goes into prevent mode.


Deja vu all over again...
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:57 pm to
DBs need to be very very good. When he can put them on islands his defense is much much better.

As does interior DL because he prefers smaller LBs.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:58 pm to
Chavis uses small, undersized backers with good speed. His defensive line is critical to his success and where A&M must really focus. I believe his defensive backs at LSU were always above average but shined when the front 4 were able to get pressure.

Another thing, he is very conservative with few blitzes. The defense is a 4-3 bend but don't break. Plays loose man (should press more) and cover 2.

ETA: Biggest problem will be the amount of plays the A&M defense has to play. Summerlin needs to establish a running game or the Aggies will continue to have problems on defense. Chavis will need a lot of depth and can probably legitimately play a lot of kids early. I think it's a good hire but expectations are way too high.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 5:13 pm
Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:58 pm to
He's a heavy db and de kinda guy. His best years at LSU were when that was the defenses strength. I think he would sturggle the most with average Defensive Backs. I think most of his packages and blitzs involve the understanding that a db has to lock up and play man to man most of the game on a wr.

His defenses dont revolve around getting pressure and are more of a bend but not break style. It's at its best when the DE's are capable of good pass rush without a complicated blitz and the Dbs are able to lock up on their guy. I think he also likes the linebackers undersized and his safetys hard hitting.

edit: oh and how could I forget, if you happen to be up by a score with 2 mins or less on defense, expect him to abandon everything that worked and go into a prevent defense.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:06 pm to
These are all great posts and great insight. Thank you so far everyone participating.

Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38215 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:19 pm to
If Brockers wasn't on that 2011 LSU defensive line, then that defense wouldn't have been anywhere near as good.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

If Chavis was given a team of all average talent-all three stars- what positions would need to be upgraded first in order for Chavis's system to have a positive effect?


CB --> DE --> DT

quote:


If that team could NEVER upgrade a position-like one position was always going to be three star level-what position's stagnation would hurt Chavis's system the most? Hurt it the least?


CB
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:33 pm to
I am going to say MLB, you put someone there who can't get the job done and you are kinda fricked. Look at LSU when we between Kevin Minter (beast) and Kendall Beckwith (Beast). DJ Welter (opposite of beast) basically made our defense, which had 5 stars and 4 stars, suck.

I really think OLB are overrated in Chavis's system. LSU has had 1 maybe 2 good OLB since Chavis got here and it hasn't hurt us at all.

There are strong arguments that CB who can play man, and DE who can pass rush are essential here, but I think this year showed how essential MLB is.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 5:35 pm
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:36 pm to
The weak point on a Chavis defense is always the defensive backs. IMHO
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:45 pm to
You need NFL talent at every position, even with that, if your Middle Linebacker is average you'll get pounded by anyone with a running threat.

Mustang works great untill it gets punched in the mouth.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

he is very conservative with few blitzes. The defense is a 4-3 bend but don't break.


which can work provided they don't leave the opposing offense on the field all day (like Notre Dame).

as poster on here have said, Chavis is a good DC. to be really good tho, he has to have damn good DB's and a damn good DL.

if Chavis stays at A&M long enough you are going to discover what both UT and LSU fans did. he depends on other members of the staff to recruit and he has some glaring tendencies. his D's are EXTREMELY vulnerable to running QB's and he never adjusts to that. also, his D's play real soft late in games and give the O the short passes to the outside. he's playing that the opposing OC fricks up by throwing over the middle (like y'all did this year). a patient O like bama, notre dame and Clemson took advantage and won the game.
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6091 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:53 pm to
You're gonna need one of these:



And one of these:

Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8329 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:33 pm to
He needs DB's first, then LB's, then DL. Give him even average DB's and you'll get shredded through the air.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19043 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

These are all great posts and great insight. Thank you so far everyone participating.


I think a short summary of Chavis' defenses at LSU have been average against ground and pound offenses and above average against HUNH spreads.

This past year the early lack of a prominent MLB allowed QB's to run freely on us but he fixed that about half way through season.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36506 posts
Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

The weak point on a Chavis defense is always the defensive backs. IMHO


Since 2011, the weak point for LSU has been the interior.
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