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re: Local GOP: Going Full Retard (Arkansas)
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:11 am to ElDawgHawg
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:11 am to ElDawgHawg
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I believe in my God. I cannot force that belief on others but because I believe I choose to live my life with a system of values and I will not compromise those values simply because they may not all be "politically correct".
Not sure how someone else lives their life compromises your values. Wasn't Jesus' core philosophy love and forgiveness? Politics is secular and should be that way in a free society.
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:13 am to Person of interest
yes He was about forgiveness. But he didn't hesitate to call people on sinful activity either. Love the sinner, hate the sin. I've said that already.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:20 am to ElDawgHawg
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Love the sinner, hate the sin
When did Jesus say this? He said Love your neighbor not begrudgingly accept or judge.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:23 am to Person of interest
32 q“But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 rAnd if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But slove your enemies, tdo good, and ulend, 8hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and vyou will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 wTherefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
37 x“Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. yForgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 zGive, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your abosom. For bwith the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
37 x“Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. yForgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 zGive, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your abosom. For bwith the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:40 am to ElDawgHawg
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Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Jesus' rebukes were always directed towards the religious folks, not the 'sinners.' He chilled with the 'sinners' pretty often. So much so, he was called a drunkard and a glutton (Matt 11:19).
In fact, Jesus told the religious elite to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's," keeping the separation between local religion and presiding governments (though they were religiously 'pagan.')
tl;dr the 'sinners' you should love and the 'sin' you should hate should only apply to Christians
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:41 am to Person of interest
I agree and I'm not judging as much as I am concerned with what has become "normal" in our society.
....sorry I lack the ability to give a great answer today. Sinuses have gone haywire and the little drummer boy is playing a tune in my head.
....sorry I lack the ability to give a great answer today. Sinuses have gone haywire and the little drummer boy is playing a tune in my head.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:43 am to ElDawgHawg
Get you some rest and some Nyquil. Or, since your not Baptist, a hot toddy and rest does wonders.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:22 am to ElDawgHawg
Well "normal" today is a far cry from the normal of the past where it was ok to enslave, rape, and murder people based on the color of their skin. It was also normal to deny a woman the right to vote. These are also the time periods that people refer back to when they speak of a society with good Christain morals. Of course the juicy parts like like bigotry are left out. I think our "normal"today is trending in the right direction.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:59 am to ElDawgHawg
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I believe in my God. I cannot force that belief on others but because I believe I choose to live my life with a system of values and I will not compromise those values simply because they may not all be "politically correct".
So you think people should compromise their own values in public just so you won't have to talk to your kids...
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:10 pm to Stonehog
Zing.
Its usually the people who feel the most "temptation" toward certain activities or vices that they feel are shameful who want the government to make those activities illegal or take them out of the public.
There's a fun Youtube video that is a montage of religious leaders and anti-gay politicians who, surprise, surprise, were all caught taking dong on the down low while speaking out vehemently against gay rights.
We are a multicultural society. The country was founded out of a tax revolt, not a religious revolution. Feel free to exercise whatever fear-based religion you choose for yourself and your family. Please stop forcing those beliefs onto others. If Christianity were prerequisite to success or prosperity, there wouldn't be so many rich Jews and Asians, or Muslim oil-barons.
Its usually the people who feel the most "temptation" toward certain activities or vices that they feel are shameful who want the government to make those activities illegal or take them out of the public.
There's a fun Youtube video that is a montage of religious leaders and anti-gay politicians who, surprise, surprise, were all caught taking dong on the down low while speaking out vehemently against gay rights.
We are a multicultural society. The country was founded out of a tax revolt, not a religious revolution. Feel free to exercise whatever fear-based religion you choose for yourself and your family. Please stop forcing those beliefs onto others. If Christianity were prerequisite to success or prosperity, there wouldn't be so many rich Jews and Asians, or Muslim oil-barons.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 3:29 pm to Person of interest
quote:The very title of that headline has "may" in it. That is in no way conclusive or factual. It's theory.
Person of interest
Posted on 2/5/15 at 3:48 pm to Drewbie
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The very title of that headline has "may" in it. That is in no way conclusive or factual. It's theory.
Yeah, the science is still out. The few studies that have been done haven't come to many conclusions. There also has been very little funding for future studies. Hard to come to any conclusions with out anything concrete.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:40 pm to WonderWartHawg
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LGBT's (and all races, nationalities, citizens of other planets) should all fall under the SAME EXACT RULES, when it comes to the hiring, firing, renting etc. rules.
All passing any kind of 'protection' legislation would do is make it much much harder for an employer to (rightfully) fire an underperforming employee if they wanted to play the 'LGBT discrimination' card.
If you want to be considered just like the rest of the population, live under the same rules as the rest of the population.
There is nothing easier or safer than terminating an under performing employee, unless of course you yourself are an under performing employee.
Plus, these current protections are so overblown.
I was in an interview where the owner of a successful company asked me what my religion was.
After I lied, his follow up question was "what religion was my wife?"
I got the job and was fired 5 years later for voting for Obama, lol.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:44 pm to PygmalionEffect
quote:The sad thing is that political affiliation is not protected for non-federal employees in some states. You can be fired for having the wrong politics without any recourse.
I got the job and was fired 5 years later for voting for Obama, lol.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:09 pm to Hog on the Hill
Jesus Judged, and deemed forgiveness and said,
"Go, and sin no more" in the case of a very adulterous woman!
He also said, "He without sin, cast the first stone" Meaning all have failed on one way or another.
Now, my only problem is that some folks want to force me in my occupation to Marry same sex couples, which is against what I believe in my religion. And then sue me if I deny their request.
This will, I am sure, be torn up by the more affluent/intellectual crowd on the board, but I did speak to a Representative and Senator today about this very issue to gauge the reasons for the HB1228 bill.
I then read the bill myself, very much legal lingo of course, but .....
"Go, and sin no more" in the case of a very adulterous woman!
He also said, "He without sin, cast the first stone" Meaning all have failed on one way or another.
Now, my only problem is that some folks want to force me in my occupation to Marry same sex couples, which is against what I believe in my religion. And then sue me if I deny their request.
This will, I am sure, be torn up by the more affluent/intellectual crowd on the board, but I did speak to a Representative and Senator today about this very issue to gauge the reasons for the HB1228 bill.
I then read the bill myself, very much legal lingo of course, but .....
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:25 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Now, my only problem is that some folks want to force me in my occupation to Marry same sex couples, which is against what I believe in my religion. And then sue me if I deny their request.
Wrong.
Marriage isn't defined as a religious concept in the legislation brought forth, mainly because it isn't a religious concept at all.
Anyone can be or can not be married in the eyes of their God or gods to any one or anything else.
Its about being able to purchase a certificate that says in the eyes of the government you are married, your spouse is entitled to your property upon death, you are allowed to file a joint tax return, etc.
Religion has nothing to do with it. If you don't like it being called marriage, fine, everyone in the country would then be in a civil union, gay, straight, man animal as is/was allowed in Missouri. A formal celebration could be held in church and called a marriage according to the customs of their preferred religion.
If you think religious views has a right to dictate law and tax codes in this country, fine, as a church start paying your fricking taxes on income and profit like every other business in this country...
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:41 pm to DaleDenton
Dale, 
Re-read and Reapply. It is "Against my religion to believe that gays should be married" and it is because marriage entails usually a sexually relationship as well. Therefore, I have a religious right to say NO under this bill without being sued.
Weather or not the Bible says anything about marriage, it does say, "Man cleave unto his wife" And "Adam and Eve" not adam and steve... etal. ETC.... Verbose... BLah, blah, blah!
Re-read and Reapply. It is "Against my religion to believe that gays should be married" and it is because marriage entails usually a sexually relationship as well. Therefore, I have a religious right to say NO under this bill without being sued.
Weather or not the Bible says anything about marriage, it does say, "Man cleave unto his wife" And "Adam and Eve" not adam and steve... etal. ETC.... Verbose... BLah, blah, blah!
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:55 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Re-read and Reapply. It is "Against my religion to believe that gays should be married" and it is because marriage entails usually a sexually relationship as well. Therefore, I have a religious right to say NO under this bill without being sued.
Weather or not the Bible says anything about marriage, it does say, "Man cleave unto his wife" And "Adam and Eve" not adam and steve... etal. ETC.... Verbose... BLah, blah, blah!
Again it isn't a religious matter.
You can marry brother and sisters in your church if you so choose, or first cousins or whatever, you can considered them to be married, but the state will not grant a marriage license therefore they will not be legally married.
Your religious text means nothing to the laws of this country, they do not dictate them, they do not trump them.
We will not have a Christian version of Sharia Law in this country, or the Muslim version, etc, because of a few simple words strung together to form an important sentence, separation of church and state.
Slavery is an acceptable practice according to the bible, passages are easy to find, many a slaver could recite them from memory to justify the practice in this country.
And then there are those pesky passages where Jesus himself said to obey the laws of the land, even tho he himself broke them and was sentenced to death.
If it wasn't so late, I would create a ludicrous argument and criss cross my way through select passages, out of context, to fully justify my view and give sound reasoning according to the good book, you know what I'm talking about, its your job. Really simple to do, really good way to get the Jehovah's witnesses to stop fricking up your Saturday mornings as they are not the best debaters, but they will give an honest effort a few times showing up with their own passages to try to disprove yours, but they give up after a couple months of this. The Mormons are easy to run off, answer the door at 8am on a Saturday wearing nothing but a robe, hardcore porn on the big screen, glass of scotch in the right hand, cigar in the left, they don't accept your invite into the home for some reason.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:57 pm to DaleDenton
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Now, my only problem is that some folks want to force me in my occupation to Marry same sex couples
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Wrong
Are you denying that "some folks" would like Rev to be forced to marry same sex couples.
FWIW I don't think that the government should recognize "marriage" at all. Everyone should have the right to a civil union with anyone of their choosing. If the couple chooses to have a religious marriage ceremony (provided their church approves) then so be it.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:04 pm to Raz4back
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Are you denying that "some folks" would like Rev to be forced to marry same sex couples.
I have yet to see the LBGTWTFelse they label themselves go after religions to "marry them".
I have seen them go after states for marriages for the some of the same reasons marriage has been so popular in this country and a listed above, obviously and unexpected pregnancy and shame of being a single parent is not one of the these reasons.
I have seen where groups go after churches for members being expelled from the church because of race, sexual preference, etc which isn't very Christlike for these churches...
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