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re: Vols to play ETSU in 2018

Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:51 pm to
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I'm not mad at all, I just get tired of the UT hype machine. The funny thing is that it's all built off Alabama. Without Alabama, no on=e would even know who Tennessee was.




Knute Rockne (when universally considered GOAT) called Neyland: "Football's greatest coach"

And I could go on and on through the generations.

Truth is neither Tennessee nor Alabama would be what we became were it not for TSIO as well as the cross-pollination of our respective programs. It was a match made in heaven, blood, insanity, brawls between fans and legendary coaches coming forth at different times. However to argue we made one another the way you do which is very different from the growth and competition that transpired on the gridiron is so absurd it's laughable.

Try again.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:03 pm to
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You mean when you were playing FSU and Miami before they became powers?

Miami won the NC in 83 and 87, LSU had them on the schedule in 88.

Tenn, OTOH, has only played FSU twice, once in 1958 (getting shut out 0-10) and again in a bowl game in '98.

FSU won their first NC in 93, LSU had them on the schedule in 91 when they finished 11-2. They averaged over 10 wins a season from '87-91.

LSU played @ ND when they were #1 (losing 0-3), LSU played USC when they were #1 (losing on a lte 4th qtr drive, 17-12).

But here I am providing a bunch of DATA again to make my point when Vol fans can't seem to actually provide any data to support their side. Why are Vol fans so data averse?


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Sounds like you're the one trying to overhype

I'm not the one saying how great LSU's OOC schedules have been, I'm just putting their data up against a team that IS claiming to have great OOC scheduling. It just doesn' look all that great compared to LSU - they look pretty similar, yet UT gets the hype.

I know, I know, the 'king' doesn't like being told he's got no clothes on, but from my perspective Tennessee is nekkid as a jaybird.

Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:06 pm to
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LSU was playing Notre Dame, Nebraska and USC in the regular season


Tennessee has played USC in OOC as many times as LSU
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:09 pm to
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You're stating it as an argument for your strong OOC schedule.

No, I'm not. I'm merely showing that UT doesn't schedule any tougher than LSU.

LSU has scheduled ND 8 times in the regular season, as has UT. Now tell me how that shows UT to schedule tougher OOC than LSU.

No one has actually provided any data yet to prove UT's OOC scheduling prowess, all they've shown is that they've scheduled the SAME number of OOC games vs ND as LSU.
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Thanks for playing.


You sure you want to dismiss me before proving I'm wrong?

Looks a little cowardly to me.
Posted by OleRockyTop
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:09 pm to
OU > Syracuse
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:12 pm to
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Knute Rockne (when universally considered GOAT) called Neyland...blah, blah, blah...

All talk, no DATA.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Everytime I challenge UT preeminence, all I get back is, "Well so and so said..."

That's called "hype". What I provide is Data.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12266 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:14 pm to
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Miami won the NC in 83 and 87, LSU had them on the schedule in 88.


So you've scheduled Miami once since they e been good. UT has had them on the schedule twice
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:15 pm to
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Tennessee has played USC in OOC as many times as LSU

AGAIN, how does that prove Tennessee to be SUPERIOR to LSU in OOC shceduling?



You boys just aren't very good at this. I suspected it would be easy for someone to come up with actual data to prove me wrong. Alabama fans have NO PROBLEM at all providing data. What's up with that, Voles?
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42611 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:18 pm to
Do your own research. I did and did so just to make sure I got it exactly right.

And no, it didn't come from a media guide or fan site. It's not breaking news that Coach Gen. Bob Neyland is considered one of the greatest of all time or that he innovated the game. OR that he was considered a defensive genius.

If you're too lazy to look things up ask your own coach.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:20 pm to
Curiously we had to schedule SYR when OU opted out of our 2 game series. It happens.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:23 pm to
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So you've scheduled Miami once since they e been good. UT has had them on the schedule twice


WOW! One more game aginst ONE good team and that makes UT the kings of OOC scheduling? LOL!

Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12266 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:23 pm to
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All talk, no DATA


Here's your data. UT leads in all but 2 categories.

Tennessee vs. LSU
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12266 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:27 pm to
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WildTchoupitoulas


And also, where are you getting this overhyping thing? All I saw was fans of multiple teams saying you can't talk bad about UTs OOC scheduling. Not saying it's better than everyone else's, but just that we have a history of scheduling tough opponents.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:27 pm to
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Do your own research.

I'm looking at Tennessee's OOC schedules since 1970 right now, and I am NOT impressed.
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And no, it didn't come from a media guide or fan site.

What didn't? You didn't provide any data.

And I'm still not seeing any actual DATA coming from your research.

Well, my girl just got into town, and it's time to go. It's been fun but I gotta say, you Voles are weak fricking sauce. Next time bring some fricking data to the conversation.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:30 pm to
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Not saying it's better than everyone else's, but just that we have a history of scheduling tough opponents.

As does LSU as I have shown with data. My point is that that everyone says, "Yeah, the Vol schedule tough", but I've shown it to be not substantially better than LSU. Yet no one wants to recognize LSU's OOC scheduling. UT gets the hype, LSU doesn't. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9056 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:32 pm to
So you do have an inferiority complex, and you are mad
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12266 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:35 pm to
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As does LSU as I have shown with data. My point is that that everyone says, "Yeah, the Vol schedule tough", but I've shown it to be not substantially better than LSU. Yet no one wants to recognize LSU's OOC scheduling. UT gets the hype, LSU doesn't. That's all I'm saying.


I was unaware that Tennessee gets scheduling "hype" I'm sorry it makes you sad that LSU doesn't
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42611 posts
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:13 pm to
I tried my best to give WildTchoupitoulas the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was ignorant - maybe he genuinely believe what he was espousing. However, VFL1800FPD and others were right. There's no use in engaging this guy. So I suggest we stop giving him attention and move on.

Which bring me to... What do you see as the benefits and/or negatives of scheduling in-state schools? Opinions from all teams welcome.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:49 am to
Nice deflection.

This is a schedule thread.

Schedule Points:
LSU 904.9
Tennessee 841.65

LINK



DATA!





Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 1/31/15 at 9:09 am to
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That's called "hype". What I provide is Data.

You are actually too fricking stupid to respond to, but I will anyway.

1.Neyland's wife, Ada Fitch "Peg" Neyland, told this story on the correct pronunciation of the family name. She stood on one leg, patted her knee and said it's "KNEE-land, like my knee."
2.Neyland finished his Tennessee coaching career with 173 wins, 31 losses and 12 ties, for an .829 winning percentage.
3.When he retired from coaching after the 1952 season, Neyland ranked first on the all-time winning percentage list of any man in modern major college football history with at least 20 years in the business.
4.Neyland preached readiness, maintaining that, "Almost all close games are lost by the losers, not won by the winners."
5.Of his 216 games coached, the Vols shut out their opponents 109 times.
6.From 1938 to 1940, his teams recorded an amazing 17 consecutive regular season shutouts.
7.In the 1939 regular season, Tennessee outscored its opposition 212-0. The Vols are the last major college football program to shut out every regular season opponent.
8.Neyland coached the Vols to six undefeated seasons, nine undefeated regular seasons, seven conference championships and four national championships.
9.He reeled off undefeated streaks of 33, 28, 23, 19 and 14 games.
10.Neyland coached 21 Vols to first-team All-America honors. Eleven of those players went on to the College Football Hall of Fame.
11.At one time, more than 175 former Neyland players were active head coaches in the United States and Canada.
12.Neyland's starting assistant coaching salary at UT in his first year of 1925 was $750. Factor inflation and that translates to approximately $9,757 in 2012.
13.Neyland was born Feb. 17, 1892, in Greenville, Texas, northeast of Dallas.
14.After high school, Neyland passed his teaching certification test and became a substitute teacher at age 17 earning $75 per month.
15.He then attended Burleson College and Texas A&M University before gaining an appointment to the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y. Neyland's father, a lawyer, begged his son to go to law school instead but the younger Neyland had no interest in that career path.
16.Neyland was a superb student-athlete. He won 35 games (20 consecutive) pitching for Army, was a starting end on the Cadets' 1914 national championship football team and was the academy's heavyweight boxing champion his final three years.
17.Neyland was Army's first baseman in 1913 when the team's ace pitcher pulled a muscle that ended his career. Former Vols football captain Sammy Strang (known as Strang Nicklin during his college days) coached the Cadet nine and called a meeting to proclaim Neyland the team's new starting pitcher. Strang told Neyland to give his first baseman's mitt to his teammate -- future five-star general Omar Bradley.
18.In his first outing, Neyland struck out 12 in beating NYU, 2-1. Later in front of a crowd of 15,000, Neyland was the pitching and hitting star in Army's 2-1 win over Navy. His outstanding performance excused Neyland from "hell-week" activities normally assigned to West Point plebes.
19.During a 1915 game against Syracuse, Army trailed by one and had a runner at third with one out. Strang decided to replace Bradley, a .385 hitter, with Neyland, who promptly grounded to third and the runner was thrown out at home. Neyland then was picked off first for the final out. Afterward, Bradley confronted Neyland and said, "Well I think I could have done as good as that." Neyland replied, "Well Brad, it wasn't my idea in the first place."
20.Neyland graduated from the Academy in 1916.
21.He was recruited to play professional baseball by the New York Giants, Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Athletics, but instead went to World War I as soon as he graduated and served in France.
22.Neyland later served on the U.S.-Mexican border in pursuit of Pancho Villa, and in India and China during World War II.
23.By the age of 27, Neyland was one of the youngest regimental commanders in the U.S. Army.
24.But when the New York Times reported that fact, Neyland almost immediately was demoted to captain. Brig. Gen. Douglas McArthur faced a similar situation but accepted the superintendency at West Point to avoid being demoted to major. When Neyland protested his demotion, Neyland's successor rewarded him with a below satisfactory rating and had him shipped off to MIT for one year of postgraduate studies in civil engineering. Which led to the future of Neyland Stadium and its design.
25.Neyland arrived in Knoxville when the UT football site, Shields-Watkins Field, seated only 3,200. By the time of his death in 1962, the stadium seated more than 51,000 and Neyland had developed architectural plans for its eventual growth to more than 100,000. Those dreams became reality in 1996.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 9:14 am
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