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Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:34 pm
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He still isn't recruiting as well as he needs to
I dont understand why yall say he doesnt recruit well. He finds quality talent that isnt on big time radar and is competitive.
Yall go crazy over 4 star recruits in football. He has two coming in this summer that have been dropped to 3 stars just because of injuries in their junior years. Then he has 2 more 4 star guys coming in the 2016 summer, if they stay committed.
Yall want the fab 5, explain to me what he has to sell? A half empty colusium, lousy fan support, and a losing/cheating history. About the only thing he can sell a recruit is the opportunity to carry on the traditions of Dominique Wilkins and KCP.
He is slowly building a team that is competitive against quality teams with players that arent heralded out of high school but players he can keep for 4 years and develop. Our program was significantly set back by two stupid morons who thought they were lottery picks. If Thompkins and Leslie stay we make the tournament back to back years. Probably get ranked the second year and maybe win the SEC, thus receiving lots of national attention and improving recruiting significantly. Is it Fox's fault those two selfish morons left early? Instead after they left he changed his recruiting philosophy and started the 4 year plan. He is slowly building a strong recruiting base. Just be patient and ride it out 5 years from now we will be a consistent top 25 team barring major and unforseen injuries or scandals.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:15 am
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:47 pm to history88
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Is it Fox's fault those two selfish morons left early?
I couldn't disagree with you any more here. But otherwise you made some good points. UGA basketball is a difficult situation. How can it change? Will winning enough games create a new atmosphere and tradition? Is it more focus from the administration? Somehow getting the fanbase to support more and that will bring up the program?
Hard to tell. But we need to get in the tourney this year cause this is the best team we will have and these guys have played a lot of minutes together to get ready for a tourney bid this season.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:51 pm to history88
That team could have had Dustin ware, Gerald Robinson, KCP, Leslie, and Thompkins. The other bigs would have been shite like donte Williams and a still shitty Marcus Thornton, but that is a really good team. Legitimately sweet 16 caliber.
Also, fox didn't recruit Leslie and thompkims. They are both Felton guys, and that may be part of the reason they left. I wouldn't call them selfish, but I bet they had some selfish people in their ears giving them horrible misinformation.
I like fox and what he's doing. He will have this year and probably next year as a safety net for sure. If he even makes the NIT both years, he should stick around. We can't change the entire culture overnight. Consistent improvement and actually competing are important. Even just being on the bubble is a big deal to getting guys to come here. Staying in the discussion, being relevant in the SEC race, that's where we are right now.
Also, fox didn't recruit Leslie and thompkims. They are both Felton guys, and that may be part of the reason they left. I wouldn't call them selfish, but I bet they had some selfish people in their ears giving them horrible misinformation.
I like fox and what he's doing. He will have this year and probably next year as a safety net for sure. If he even makes the NIT both years, he should stick around. We can't change the entire culture overnight. Consistent improvement and actually competing are important. Even just being on the bubble is a big deal to getting guys to come here. Staying in the discussion, being relevant in the SEC race, that's where we are right now.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:58 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Going into Thompkins and Leslie's jr year everybody expected them to dominate and we learned real quick Thompkins couldnt function at all in a double team and their stock dropped real quick. EVERYBODY projected them both to barely be drafted and they still went pro, just dumb!! Fox even told them they needed to come back. Word on the street was that Thompkins was lazier than a weiner dog.
I dont think KCP would have played with Trey and Travis bc Gerald Rob jr's last year we had a losing record. Lets he honest here though, we are starting the pride of Montenegro and counting on him. He couldnt walk on a Duke or Kentucky.
I dont think KCP would have played with Trey and Travis bc Gerald Rob jr's last year we had a losing record. Lets he honest here though, we are starting the pride of Montenegro and counting on him. He couldnt walk on a Duke or Kentucky.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:02 am to rockchlkjayhku11
ya I don't see any way he wouldn't have at least this year and next. I agree any sign of growth and improvement is big for Georgia basketball program. Hope the administration and the fan base continue to step up support and expectations.
and I think the program has something building here, that is why giving this game away was a killer. Could have been such a big win. Need a tourney bid this year, it is our best shot and would continue to build the momentum of the program.
and I agree that team if Trey and Travis would have came back woulda been very good. But I don't see how we could call players selfish for going pro and trying to reach their dreams. I know they weren't first round picks but they did still make 500k plus each year they played in the league. Don't think Travis really had much of a chance to increase his draft stock either.
and I think the program has something building here, that is why giving this game away was a killer. Could have been such a big win. Need a tourney bid this year, it is our best shot and would continue to build the momentum of the program.
and I agree that team if Trey and Travis would have came back woulda been very good. But I don't see how we could call players selfish for going pro and trying to reach their dreams. I know they weren't first round picks but they did still make 500k plus each year they played in the league. Don't think Travis really had much of a chance to increase his draft stock either.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:07 am to TigerinUGA
I say they were selfish bc they werent looking out for the good of the team or their teammates. They were drafted really late and if they came back they could have only helped their draft stock. Leslie wasnt even in the a NBA for a full year and thompkins was on a roster for a total of 3 years maybe. Coulda improved their stock and helped the team if they stayed, IMO. I felt like they saw a chance to just take money and run.
That post really wasnt intended to bring them into discussion as much as it was to provide evidence that Fox hasnt had much to work with.
That post really wasnt intended to bring them into discussion as much as it was to provide evidence that Fox hasnt had much to work with.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:11 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:10 am to TigerinUGA
Ill say this too, after our last 2 head coaches Fox is our guy. He is building our program with integrity and busting his butt to do it the right way. You have the Calipari's and Pearls of the basketball world that are cheating but we are doing it the right way.
LSU loss was big, as we should have won but we lack depth and quality PG play and we almost won. Dont forget last year we were 2-4 before finishing 12-6
LSU loss was big, as we should have won but we lack depth and quality PG play and we almost won. Dont forget last year we were 2-4 before finishing 12-6
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:17 am to TigerinUGA
I don't think they could have hurt their draft stock though. Playing on a really good team the next year with a talented scoring guard and a great pass first point guard would have only helped them. I think we get a 5 seed or better. The exposure would be awesome, they hopefully graduate, and they remain the 2nd rounders that they were. Hell, if trey stays healthy all year and scores 20 a game, he might move into the first.
Their junior year was my freshman year and a friend of mine was in English 1101 with both of them. That tells me their decision had been made for a long time.
But anyways, at least us three agree. Firing fox would be a giant mistake. He has absolutely nothing to work with and is doing a hell of a job putting a competitive team out there.
Their junior year was my freshman year and a friend of mine was in English 1101 with both of them. That tells me their decision had been made for a long time.
But anyways, at least us three agree. Firing fox would be a giant mistake. He has absolutely nothing to work with and is doing a hell of a job putting a competitive team out there.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:18 am to history88
ya we did start the non conference 2-4 last year before going 12-6 in conference play. But this LSU game is just gigantic. Would have been big difference starting 1-1 with our schedule coming up. Going to Nashville Wednesday is almost absolute must win. Not good considering how poorly we always play there. Plus we play UK and Florida twice this yr.
and I agree that he is building a program. Just don't think it is selfish of a player to try to go pro. Leslie would not have ever become a 1st rounder. You could definitely make the argument that Trey could have possibly upped his stock a bit and I thought he maybe should have come back. That would have been a huge lift for the program.
I love UGA basketball and really want to see our program develop some success and tradition. Lot of season left, hopefully we find a way to bounce back next wee. But will be tough start to get past
and I agree that he is building a program. Just don't think it is selfish of a player to try to go pro. Leslie would not have ever become a 1st rounder. You could definitely make the argument that Trey could have possibly upped his stock a bit and I thought he maybe should have come back. That would have been a huge lift for the program.
I love UGA basketball and really want to see our program develop some success and tradition. Lot of season left, hopefully we find a way to bounce back next wee. But will be tough start to get past
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:24 am to history88
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He is slowly building a team
Very, very, very slowly.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:28 am to WhopperDawg
Building a house brick by brick is much better than buying a doublewide. We have been down that road with our basketball team before.
Oh and Tiger, im not suggesting or even arguing against the idea that they should fire CMF, but i just dont understand why people accuse him of being a bad recruiter. Ray Drew sucked for us his entire career, does that make CMR a bad recruiter? According to most people the answer is No bc Ray Drew was a 5-star recruit.
Oh and Tiger, im not suggesting or even arguing against the idea that they should fire CMF, but i just dont understand why people accuse him of being a bad recruiter. Ray Drew sucked for us his entire career, does that make CMR a bad recruiter? According to most people the answer is No bc Ray Drew was a 5-star recruit.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:32 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:35 am to history88
Can't even beat one of the worst teams in the ACC.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:38 am to Rules
I was very disappointed by that but then again neither can Paul Johnson so i feel better that Fox can bring us an SEC championship down the road.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 12:39 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:40 am to history88
Unless we can 100% get a home run hire, why start over when Mark Fox's teams are competitive and slowly gaining national exposure? We used to be in a dog fight with SCAR for the last spot in the SEC. We're now middle of the road in the SEC and beginning to win some OOC games, which is huge. Don't stop a good thing here just because we're not in the top 25 and making the tourney every year. This program has been a lot of nothing since the early 2000s. Remember when we considered it a good season if we upset Kentucky and won more than 3 conference games?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 12:54 am to Shockley03
Yup exactly. Just keep making positive progress every year. Yes that will mean years where we aren't a tourney team. We are gonna have to live with that for a while. Hopefully, that's not this year though 
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:46 am to history88
Until Fox gets his hands in the AAU scene, he’ll always be average. The hire of Rosemond helped, but he hasn’t scored any former Atlanta AAU players of note. Fox will always be a good coach with average talent.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:51 am to history88
Everything in OP says we can't get top tier players. If we can't get those he should at least get 5 guys that can shoot free throws.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:23 am to RealDawg
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If we can't get those he should at least get 5 guys that can shoot free throws.
That’s all fundamentals
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:33 am to history88
anybody who thinks Fox is anything but a midlevel loser is either delusional or stupid.
do I want him replaced?..maybe not, but until the AD gets aggressive in improving the program to at least sweet 16 status, it won't matter who the coach is.
do I want him replaced?..maybe not, but until the AD gets aggressive in improving the program to at least sweet 16 status, it won't matter who the coach is.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:45 am to Shockley03
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Unless we can 100% get a home run hire, why start over when Mark Fox's teams are competitive and slowly gaining national exposure? We used to be in a dog fight with SCAR for the last spot in the SEC. We're now middle of the road in the SEC and beginning to win some OOC games, which is huge. Don't stop a good thing here just because we're not in the top 25 and making the tourney every year. This program has been a lot of nothing since the early 2000s. Remember when we considered it a good season if we upset Kentucky and won more than 3 conference games?
This is my perspective. They aren't going to shell the money for a big time hire like Auburn did with Bruce Pearl so we might as well keep Fox who is running a clean program and doing more with less. Georgia BB simply doesn't have the same tradition/attraction as Georgia football.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 9:46 am
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