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re: Odom will be accepting the DC job.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:12 am to reedus23
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:12 am to reedus23
Went to compare the Mizzou and Memphis defenses nationally to see where they finished. I figured Mizzou would be higher because in our OOC games, we play lesser teams like Indiana (I kid...but theoretically ALL of our OOC should be against lesser teams) whereas Memphis is going to play 1 or 2 teams that are better than them. Thus the numbers should be skewed in our favor overall. One might say, but Memphis doesn't play SEC teams and no, they don't but they play AAC teams while using AAC talent, so conference games are a wash.
Scoring Defense: #5 Memphis #26 Mizzou
Rushing Defense: #24 Memphis #30 Mizzou
Passing Defense: #39 Mizzou #49 Memphis
Total Defense: #22 Memphis #23 Mizzou
Obviously, it's not perfect but he's done fairly well there. Just going back and looking at some of the games, it seemed like they were susceptible to giving up a big game in the passing game. They were pretty consistent at holding people under or darn close to their season averages running the ball. But then they'll have a game where they gave up 350 in the air.
Scoring Defense: #5 Memphis #26 Mizzou
Rushing Defense: #24 Memphis #30 Mizzou
Passing Defense: #39 Mizzou #49 Memphis
Total Defense: #22 Memphis #23 Mizzou
Obviously, it's not perfect but he's done fairly well there. Just going back and looking at some of the games, it seemed like they were susceptible to giving up a big game in the passing game. They were pretty consistent at holding people under or darn close to their season averages running the ball. But then they'll have a game where they gave up 350 in the air.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:50 pm to reedus23
Reading the STL P-D board, some fans are saying it's been leaked in the J-school that Odom is the next DC.
Memphis has an early bowl game. Dec 22, with BYU. Holding off and let Odom finish his season there.
Letting Memphis coach's bowl prep as it's a big accomplishment for that staff. We have a DC in place for our bowl game.
We have Memphis on our schedule in a couple of years and want to keep the relationship healthy.
Memphis has an early bowl game. Dec 22, with BYU. Holding off and let Odom finish his season there.
Letting Memphis coach's bowl prep as it's a big accomplishment for that staff. We have a DC in place for our bowl game.
We have Memphis on our schedule in a couple of years and want to keep the relationship healthy.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:14 pm to Stlox
That makes sense. Coincides with some saying the announcement at the beginning of next week. Think Monday is the 22nd.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:31 pm to reedus23
Ley Odom get a look at BYU in the bowl, then coach against them again next year.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 1:52 pm to JesusQuintana
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Kul I just can't imagine that Pinkel wouldn't have made sure he was good with this before doing it.
It's not up to Coach Kul to approve, it's up to Gary Pinkel to make the call.
Where as Kul MIGHT make a good DC, Odom has gone out and proven he can do the job through example. Since he has a record of years working along side Kul and the rest of the Mizzou coaching staff, it would be hard for the them to field a logical complaint why he's NOT at least as good a choice as they are.
From what I have read and heard about Kul he is about as far from being a petty or vindictive person as you can get, in other words he's the anti-peelini,
, he's smart enough to know there's nothing to be gained by being a whiner and that he could have done the same as Odom and left to take a promotion at a stepping stone program. I still expect GP will name Kul as the new Asst. Head Coach, a title that is vacated by Stec leaving. Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:57 pm to Jagd Tiger
It's not about him being a whiner. It's about him leaving. I don't think he would unless for a DC job somewhere else. I think the point is making sure he's pacified so he doesn't go looking, though it might be inevitable some day.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:11 am to reedus23
Sometimes coaches find their niche and stay with it. Monte Kiffin shunned about 1000 HC offers to stay DC. Maybe Kul is perfectly happy developing the finest DL's in the country. The pay is good, you do what you love, sometimes that's enough.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:37 am to reedus23
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I think the point is making sure he's pacified so he doesn't go looking, though it might be inevitable some day.
no the point is the most qualified person that will take the DC job should get the DC job. I would hope that Pinkel is, maybe, finally starting to see that "loyalty" doesn't trump qualification. Outside of giving him a "Co" title or a figure head title like Assistant Head Coach, there isn't much Pinkel can do to "pacify" anyone, nor should he.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:00 pm to Jagd Tiger
No, actually he should do whatever is necessary to keep the best DL coach in the nation happy and on staff.
If he can do that and hire Odom for the DC position then all the better.
If he can do that and hire Odom for the DC position then all the better.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:10 pm to JesusQuintana
At some point, you have to do what's best for the team. If that means Odom as DC, then that's what Pinkel will do. At that point Pinkel has to make that decision and then let pieces fall where they may and go from there. If that means Kul leaves, then he leaves and you move forward and find a replacement.
I don't know why everyone is freaking out over Kul leaving. Where is he leaving to? Did I miss something? At least he is considered for the job. If he doesn't get it, I'm sure Pinkel will talk to him about his decision on why what and when.
Coaches get hired and fired or move to other positions. Kul will probably move on some day. He won't be a D-line coach for ever. Where do you think Odom has been? He moved on and maybe coming back now.
I don't know why everyone is freaking out over Kul leaving. Where is he leaving to? Did I miss something? At least he is considered for the job. If he doesn't get it, I'm sure Pinkel will talk to him about his decision on why what and when.
Coaches get hired and fired or move to other positions. Kul will probably move on some day. He won't be a D-line coach for ever. Where do you think Odom has been? He moved on and maybe coming back now.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:01 pm to jafo
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Where do you think Odom has been? He moved on and maybe coming back now.
right, Kul COULD HAVE done what Odom did and what Stec is doing, he chose to stay put, so that is as much on him as anyone else. Assuming Odom is the better DC choice at this point, Kul can't really be pissed about it that much, if Odom turned down the job that might be a different story.
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Where is he leaving to? Did I miss something?
Just this board freaking out at the thought Kul might leave and is somehow not replaceable, what many of them don't realize is that D-line coach is actually one of the easiest positions to coach in the game. If you've ever played football and esp on that side, the D-line has fewer instructions and things to think about in general, than any position on the field. That's not to say Kul isn't doing a good job, but a lot of it is also what Pat Ivey does with those kids as well.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 9:48 pm to Jagd Tiger
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D-line coach is actually one of the easiest positions to coach in the game
This is simply not true. Both lines are very technique dependent. You can be a great athlete, but not a great player because you don't know how to use your hands or have poor footwork. There is a ton of technique being taught on the DL. Look at Micheal Sam. Very marginal athlete, but he became SEC player of the year with exceptional technique. He didn't have it when he got here.
No idea why you are trying to marginalize Kul's importance, but you couldn't be any more wrong.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 12:40 pm to JesusQuintana
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This is simply not true.
It's very true, I'm sorry you don't have any real world experience, but it just shows up in about every post you make here, you don't really know what the hell you're talking about at all when it comes to the basics of football. And you sure as hell don't know a thing about coaching.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 12:54 pm to JesusQuintana
Coach K has never coached anywhere except for Pinkel. He played for Pinkel at Toledo, then became his recruiting coordinator there, then TE coach. He made the move to Mizzou with Pinkel and has been with him the entire time. At least some of his kids were born in Columbia and I assume they are very happy with their situation. Pinkel is obviously very happy with him. I would think that if he had head coaching aspirations he would have explored things before now - he's 46.
Expect a Co- title of some kind, IMO. He's too valuable to lose, and I think he's a Pinkel man. I think Odom will be DC though. Just my guess.
Expect a Co- title of some kind, IMO. He's too valuable to lose, and I think he's a Pinkel man. I think Odom will be DC though. Just my guess.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 1:04 pm to Jagd Tiger
Regardless of whether it's a difficult position to coach, I think the more important fact is that Coach Kul has value to the program way beyond a position coach. Thanks in large part, at least, to him, Mizzou is developing an identity and reputation for producing NFL caliber D Linemen. DLineU is sort of becoming a brand for us, and with the track record he's got, he can probably talk to just about any DL prospect out there and at least get them to listen. For a program in a new conference, without an elite name, in new recruiting areas where we aren't well known...that identity is huge. It can't be overstated.
In the SEC, we are making our name, and doing it with the top competition in the country. Having an identity is critical to our success so that we don't become an afterthought. Even if Pat Ivey can and should take credit for our outstanding conditioning, which is a topic for it's own thread, Kul is the face of what is arguably our best position over the last 5 years. That's his value.
In the SEC, we are making our name, and doing it with the top competition in the country. Having an identity is critical to our success so that we don't become an afterthought. Even if Pat Ivey can and should take credit for our outstanding conditioning, which is a topic for it's own thread, Kul is the face of what is arguably our best position over the last 5 years. That's his value.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 1:30 pm to Jagd Tiger
Again, no it's not true. I've both played and coached football. I have no idea why you are so angry on this subject, but it's showing in your posts.
I wouldn't say any one position is necessarily harder/easier to coach. Your assertion that you just run the kids out there and say "go get em" is so full of shite it's laughable.
You've dug yourself in so deep on this issue that you've now tried to marginalize the job Kul has done and you end up looking foolish. You should probably just stand down, and chill with the personal insults.
I wouldn't say any one position is necessarily harder/easier to coach. Your assertion that you just run the kids out there and say "go get em" is so full of shite it's laughable.
You've dug yourself in so deep on this issue that you've now tried to marginalize the job Kul has done and you end up looking foolish. You should probably just stand down, and chill with the personal insults.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 1:39 pm to JesusQuintana
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. Your assertion that you just run the kids out there and say "go get em" is so full of shite it's laughable.
That's not even remotely what I said, and it's clear you are a liar claiming to have coached, unless you're talking peewee, in which case you might have been marginal at best. I haven't "marginalized" what Kul has done, only pointed out he coaches one of if not the simplest position to play and to coach. It's simply a fact that some positions are more difficult than other's and that means one of them will be easier. I'm sorry logic is such a challenge for you, you might want to stop while you are behind and stop digging yourself deeper in to the fantasy you are spewing here though.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 3:49 pm to Jagd Tiger
Ok man. You win. I'm a liar.
You're still wrong, but I'll bow out as you are obviously too far dug in on this one.
You're still wrong, but I'll bow out as you are obviously too far dug in on this one.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 5:05 pm to JesusQuintana
So who thinks the announcement comes Tuesday? I think Memphis plays on Monday night.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:41 pm to reedus23
Memphis plays at noon on Monday. Announcement could come Monday evening
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