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Reviewing 2 of Brandon Allen's throws yesterday
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:41 pm
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First TD pass to Drew Morgan - a ~14 yard out route. Ball was thrown on target, but Allen did not release the ball until Morgan was well out of his break, and the ball took a little longer to get there than you would like for that throw. Against a SEC DB, that's going to be a pick 6 half of the time. Either Allen needs to perfect his timing on those or we need to quit throwing them, because he just does not have the arm strength to make that a safe throw when the timing isn't perfect.
His deep throw to Keon Hatcher off play action: Allen fakes the handoff, looks up and takes a hesitation step forward and then steps into his throw and Hatcher has to stop and wait on the ball to get there. This would give a good secondary too much time to react and make a play. Would like to see Allen get that ball off quicker and lead the receiver.
I'm not trying to bash Allen, I think he's a good QB for our system. But I would like to see some more intermediate routes over the middle to our TE's and some more screens to our backs and quick WR's. I really don't want to see any more 10+ yard out routes unless we get the timing down.
First TD pass to Drew Morgan - a ~14 yard out route. Ball was thrown on target, but Allen did not release the ball until Morgan was well out of his break, and the ball took a little longer to get there than you would like for that throw. Against a SEC DB, that's going to be a pick 6 half of the time. Either Allen needs to perfect his timing on those or we need to quit throwing them, because he just does not have the arm strength to make that a safe throw when the timing isn't perfect.
His deep throw to Keon Hatcher off play action: Allen fakes the handoff, looks up and takes a hesitation step forward and then steps into his throw and Hatcher has to stop and wait on the ball to get there. This would give a good secondary too much time to react and make a play. Would like to see Allen get that ball off quicker and lead the receiver.
I'm not trying to bash Allen, I think he's a good QB for our system. But I would like to see some more intermediate routes over the middle to our TE's and some more screens to our backs and quick WR's. I really don't want to see any more 10+ yard out routes unless we get the timing down.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 1:59 pm to Jon Ham
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10+ yard out routes.
This is a staple of a Chaney offense so it won't be going anywhere.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 2:04 pm to TheCheshireHog
Um, when you have a receiver that is WIDE arse OPEN like Hatcher, they teach you that the only thing you CANNOT do, is overthrow the receiver. You throw it TO the guy and you don't lead him.
He took a little more off of it than perhaps he should have.. but it was a completion and it looked worse because he did the right thing.
He took a little more off of it than perhaps he should have.. but it was a completion and it looked worse because he did the right thing.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:21 pm to Killean
Regarding that pass:
"It was a litte double-post sequence we have," Allen said. "They just kind of cut Keon loose, and the only thing I was thinking was I'm not going to overthrow him. So I just gave him a nice easy pass and he did the rest."
"It was a litte double-post sequence we have," Allen said. "They just kind of cut Keon loose, and the only thing I was thinking was I'm not going to overthrow him. So I just gave him a nice easy pass and he did the rest."
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:43 pm to Jon Ham
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First TD pass to Drew Morgan - a ~14 yard out route. Ball was thrown on target, but Allen did not release the ball until Morgan was well out of his break, and the ball took a little longer to get there than you would like for that throw. Against a SEC DB, that's going to be a pick 6 half of the time. Either Allen needs to perfect his timing on those or we need to quit throwing them, because he just does not have the arm strength to make that a safe throw when the timing isn't perfect.
That wasn't an out route. Morgan rounded off...
Learn the game before making critiques you know nothing about. Also, Morgan wasn't option one on the play.
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His deep throw to Keon Hatcher off play action: Allen fakes the handoff, looks up and takes a hesitation step forward and then steps into his throw and Hatcher has to stop and wait on the ball to get there. This would give a good secondary too much time to react and make a play. Would like to see Allen get that ball off quicker and lead the receiver.
The throw made was the proper throw. Hatcher was wide open by 20 yards. You never want to over throw. Throw where you know it can be caught.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:52 pm to Hawgeye
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That wasn't an out route. Morgan rounded off...
Whatever you want to call it, Morgan broke outside.
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Learn the game before making critiques you know nothing about.
lol It doesn't take a Bobby Petrino to see Allen's passes to the outside have gotten picked off more than they should. Doesn't take someone who knows the difference between an out and a "round off" to see that ball thrown by Allen would have been jumped by a Bama or LSU DB.
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You never want to over throw. Throw where you know it can be caught.
Underthrow is preferable to an overthrow, obviously. But a throw on target that doesn't make your WR stop or come back is preferable to an underthrow - that concept isn't an advanced one either.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:58 pm to Jon Ham
I think we all got spoiled by having Mallett zip the ball on a rope wherever it needed to go.
We are not often going to have a QB with that kind of arm strength.
Allen just needs to make good decisions, put the ball where the receiver can catch it, and not try to force anything.
We are not often going to have a QB with that kind of arm strength.
Allen just needs to make good decisions, put the ball where the receiver can catch it, and not try to force anything.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:20 pm to Hawgeye
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That wasn't an out route. Morgan rounded off...
Looked more like a flag route that was flattened out.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:10 pm to Jon Ham
It is what it is. Allen is going to miss some throws. He's not a great QB, but he's serviceable.
We just have to wait until Ty Storey arrives to lead us to the promised land.
We just have to wait until Ty Storey arrives to lead us to the promised land.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:34 pm to Hawgeye
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Learn the game before making critiques you know nothing about.
Damn, kind of harsh on the ol boy
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