Chicago has another bloody 4th of July

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i don't know if it'a chicken and egg situation, but there has got to be a solution and taking away as many gun rights as possible doesn't seem to be the answer.

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Is this really a suprise?

How many criminals do you think adhere to gun laws?

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gun control won't do shite when access to guns is still easy as frick and they're dirt cheap.

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If a motherfricker wants to kill someone or harm someone. No fricking gun law, Assault Weapon ban, or any restriction set for your little school zone is going to stop them. It's just a political talking point.

I always ask myself is an AR-15 more dangerous than a household pistol with a 10 round clip?

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I really don't think the gun laws in Chicago are really germane to the problems with gun violence in Chicago. Many of the problems have been decades in the making.

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i think that they are incredibly germain, but that is probably chalked up to our different political opinions.

Well my point is Chicago's gun violence would be what it is with, or without, these gun control measures. The vast majority of guns the police confiscate are traced back to other cities and states. Instead of using these cases as a rallying point against gun control laws, a more productive discussion would be why Chicago has so much violent crime. Hint - it isn't because of gun control laws.

BTW, while I lean left on most issues, I'm not a huge proponent of control laws.

Is say that city needs to be burned to the ground, but if rather the gangs stay there, as it's a city I will never visit.

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what would be the reason for such violent crime?

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Well obviously it's because white people secretly want to bring back slavery, and you can tell this is true when a white person calls a black person by their first name.

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Making guns more difficult to get will absolutely dissuade people from going through the effort to get them

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No frick it won't

Are we pretending the black market doesn't exist. Do you think most criminals are purchasing guns legally? Pot, Cocaine, Crack etc are all illegal and outright banned in this country.....Do you think those bans do anything to slow down the mass production and sell of these products?

If a motherfricker wants to kill someone with a gun...They will get a gun. No gun law, no ban, no stricter vetting will prevent this from happening.

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what would be the reason for such violent crime?

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Well first you have to ask why people turn to crime. Usually it is because of poverty and the desire for more money. Studies in Chicago show the vast majority of gun crime is committed in the southern and western parts of the city, the two area with the most poverty. So then you have to ask why those areas are so stricken with poverty, and why they have been for decades. For fear of being blasted for playing the race card, Chicago has a terrible history with systemic racism within its government. Read up on some of the home loans given to black residents of Chicago in the 50's and 60's. It's akin to modern day payday loan places. So how do you fix that? It's difficult to unravel something that has been building for decades, so I don't really know. The easy answer is educating the children in those areas better, but when you have parents that don't care about education, that's a tall order. So I really have no idea.

I don't think Chicago's situation is all that unique though. Just about every major city deals with it to some degree. Chicago's is exasperated by the city's decision a decade ago to close several government housing developments. Some of it in an effort to clean up gang activity in them, and some of it to sell some prime real estate to developers. An unintended consequence was when resident were relocated, rival gang members were all of a sudden neighbors. The move has blurrred the lines of gang territories.

Reducing the supply of guns would absolutely decrease the amount of gun crimes. Problem is, there are already so many guns in our society it would take decades to notice any appreciable decrease.

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Reducing the supply of guns would absolutely decrease the amount of gun crimes. Problem is, there are already so many guns in our society it would take decades to notice any appreciable decrease.

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So that's a reason not to do it? Because it will take a long time?

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Your taste for blow had more to do with Pookies toe tag than the availability of firearms.

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Yeah well in that case don't buy a diamond engagement ring or use any products that require oil, either.