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Mike Irwin on Brandon Allen
Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:39 pm
I ventured over to HV just now and saw a thread from a few weeks ago talking about Allen going to work out with Weinke. I know we talked about that over here already but it was Irwin's comments within the thread that caught my eye.
Some guy was complaining about Allen staring down receivers to which Irwin dropped this bit of info.
People then claimed Chaney was lying and they could see it on TV to which Irwin replied with this.
And then this about one play that posters over there have complained about before.
What are your thoughts?
Some guy was complaining about Allen staring down receivers to which Irwin dropped this bit of info.
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Too bad I can't get Jim Chaney to post his thoughts here. He rolls his eyes when I bring up the "staring down receivers" stuff that gets tossed into every thread about Brandon Allen.
As he has explained many times you'd have to know the play that was called, the various routes that are being run and how the receivers are running those routes to know if BA is actually doing what some of you are accusing him of.
I'll put it this way, on a list of things that Chaney wants to see BA improve upon, staring down receivers is near the bottom.
People then claimed Chaney was lying and they could see it on TV to which Irwin replied with this.
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And you know this how? Have you been close to a lot of coaches lately? Do you know Jim Chaney? Has he said something to you that leads you to believe what you posted?
Actually in 43 years of covering college athletics I've known only a handful of coaches who would look me in the eye and try to BS me.
Jim Chaney's not one of them.
His biggest issue with Brandon Allen is getting him to trust his receivers. They thought they had that problem licked until the spring game. Both early picks came off passes that went off the receiver's hands. Allen then regressed. Started throwing off balanced passes.
The other issue Chaney mentioned post spring was BA's mechanics in the pocket which is why the kid went to the IMG camp.
And then this about one play that posters over there have complained about before.
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Some of us keep making this point (spinning our wheels apparently). Sometimes what we think we're seeing is not what we're seeing.
When BA threw that pick in the first quarter of the South Carolina game I was ready to lay the loss on his bum shoulder.
Arkansas had the early lead. They also had a lot of momentum but then BA missed De' Arthur Cowen by five yards on an eight yard down and out and threw the ball right into the hands of the Gamecocks cornerback.
It was an easy throw. To miss that badly BA's shoulder must have been completely numbed up by painkillers. The pick seemed to deflate the entire team. The game was basically over at that point.
Afterward I asked about BA's shoulder. Was his shoulder still numbed up? If so, what's the point in continuing to play him?
The answer was not what I expected. It seems that Cowen was supposed to run an eight yard down and in. BA put the ball where Cowan was supposed to be and he wasn't there (gee, that would have been a good time to stare down a receiver).
As for me, I was just like some of you. Speculating when I didn't know what really happened.
What are your thoughts?
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 6:42 pm
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:10 pm to TheCheshireHog
I think we're in deep doo doo at QB still.
LORD I hope I'm wrong.
LORD I hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:10 pm to TheCheshireHog
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What are your thoughts?
The staff has/had been using a "gopro" type camera on the QB's helmet to see film of practices from their viewpoint.
Way too many people of on HiV think that a persons neck is fixed to their shoulders, eyes are unable to move in directions and the helmet is pointed in the same direction the eyes are looking.
How many times do you see a defender with his helmet in the exact direction of the ball, but completely miss the carrier who blows by him?
I've heard Cowan was the best at running the wrong routes or breaking routes when not necessary, infact I've heard this about every Petrino WR at some time or another, so that brings up two questions, How many Petrino WRs are actually excelling in the NFL? How many have been cut for not being able to pick up the offenses in a NFL setting? We know Petrino's practices were all about the offense and repetition will lead to repeating the practice in games, so if the amount of time for practice was distributed and executed in an "equal" fashion, would Petrino's WRs and offense look so "genius"?
People talk about players with a high "Basketball IQ", because you have to understand the game and make adjustments when necessary on the fly, we need WRs who have a "football IQ" or an understanding of their position, of the offense, what the defense is doing, etc. If the play is a timed play where the QB basically throws blind to a spot where the receiver should be, as a WR you should have a high enough "football IQ" to know you can not break your route, cut your route short, or run your route out of time. Spurrier's offense use to be full of these, he had to cut most of it out at Carolina.
If Chaney says Allen is fine and doing the things he should, then the season will hinge on the WRs and TEs doing what they should as BA's confidence was pretty much ruined in the ULM-Bama games thanks to brother Petrino any time something goes wrong its a "here we go again" cycle with him.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:31 pm to TheCheshireHog
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What are your thoughts?
Our receivers deserve the lions share of the blame for our offensive woes last season.
Hope it can be blamed off on petrinos recruiting and not Michael smiths coaching. From all indications it was petrinos recruiting, as evidenced by the reported improvement at receiver being brought in
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:30 pm to hawgfaninc
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Hope it can be blamed off on petrinos recruiting and not Michael smiths coaching. From all indications it was petrinos recruiting, as evidenced by the reported improvement at receiver being brought in
My Pop's instant reaction to Smith's hiring was, and I can remember well enough to quote the old fart. "How are you going to hire a WR coach from Kstate when all they've ever done is run the ball?"
Looking at the NCAA archives, Kstate under Bill Snyder (who Smith coached for there) usually was ranked around 100 in passing offense give or take a few spots.
If we don't see big time improvement this season, Bielema will have a decision to make.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:03 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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"How are you going to hire a WR coach from Kstate when all they've ever done is run the ball?"
Louisiana recruiting ties.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:52 pm to TheCheshireHog
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What are your thoughts?
Irwin has also stated that he's for us wearing what makes the recruits happy so his opinions mean very little to me
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:56 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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My Pop's instant reaction to Smith's hiring was, and I can remember well enough to quote the old fart. "How are you going to hire a WR coach from Kstate when all they've ever done is run the ball?"
Because he will be in an offense that primarily runs the ball here.
Meaning he would be better suited to be able to teach the WRs what needs to be done in the amount of practice time allotted to passing the ball in a run first offense.
Could either Petrino brothers coach the WRs under a philosophy like CBBs? No, because both have shown that 90% of their practice time has to be devoted to the passing game to get it to work for their teams.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:49 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Our receivers deserve the lions share of the blame for our offensive woes last season.
Hope it can be blamed off on petrinos recruiting and not Michael smiths coaching.
Agree on this completely. I've said it before, but while Allen is no great shakes, he was completely let down by his receivers over and over again last year (I've gone into detail ad nauseum in other threads about how they're to blame for the Rutgers and LSU losses and possibly others).
However, I do agree with this:
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"How are you going to hire a WR coach from Kstate when all they've ever done is run the ball?"
Looking at the NCAA archives, Kstate under Bill Snyder (who Smith coached for there) usually was ranked around 100 in passing offense give or take a few spots.
If we don't see big time improvement this season, Bielema will have a decision to make.
I had the same reaction when Smith was hired. Who knows, maybe he got the most out of his guys in terms of route running and downfield blocking (imperative in Bielema's offense), but that's the only coaching hire I'm thus far a tad pessimistic about. If we don't see a good deal of improvement in terms of fundamentals and fewer missed assignments and dropped passes, we may be looking elsewhere, especially if those miscues are as costly as they were last year.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:06 am to DaleDenton
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If Chaney says Allen is fine and doing the things he should, then the season will hinge on the WRs and TEs doing what they should as BA's confidence was pretty much ruined in the ULM-Bama games thanks to brother Petrino any time something goes wrong its a "here we go again" cycle with him.
I'm probably more optimistic about what we can get out of Brandon Allen than most people, mainly because of what the coaches keep saying and because of what I saw from our receiver corps last year, but this is one thing that concerns me with him. Allen is sort of a hard luck guy who seems to have never had a fighting chance, given that his first action came in a godawful game for the ages against ULM, then the next week against defending (soon to be again) National Champs Alabama, then he gets the starting job under Bielema and blows out his shoulder in just his third game and his receivers have forgotten how to run routes and catch the football by the time he returns. Not to mention that his only significant playing time has been for the worst two Razorback teams ever, and he's currently on his third coaching staff. Given all that, I feel kind of sorry for the guy.
I'm sort of worried that he'll just shut down if our receivers start dropping passes this season because his confidence will yet again be destroyed.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:38 am to Feral
If that happens, we have pretty good backups, unlike last year. BA will have to sack up if he wants to start. He was pretty much our only option at quarterback last season because Brandon Mitchell transferred to NC State.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:50 am to Stonehog
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He was pretty much our only option at quarterback last season because Brandon Mitchell transferred to NC State.
tGOAT backup according to Hogville
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:04 am to Stonehog
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If that happens, we have pretty good backups,
With zero experience... but, yes I am encouraged that we at least have some potential waiting in line. Hope both can get some snaps in the Nicholl's game at least.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:14 am to WonderWartHawg
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With zero experience
Better situation than last year, all we had was Derby or the option of burning Austin Allen's redshirt.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:37 am to WonderWartHawg
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With zero experience... but, yes I am encouraged that we at least have some potential waiting in line. Hope both can get some snaps in the Nicholl's game at least.
We haven't had an experienced back up QB in a long time.
We had had guys transfer out after gaining some experience at the position or they have been moved to another position like WR after falling on the depth chart.
The closest thing to an experienced back up QB would be Wilson his RS-Soph year after seeing action in his True frosh year versus Texas and a few mop up minutes his RS-Fresh year.
Before that it would have been Dick his Soph year but he was injured and Rojo was moved to WR.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:56 am to Feral
TE's & RB's Wide Receivers
Opponent Passes To Caught Catch % Yards TD's Passes To Caught Catch % Yards TD's
ULL 15 10 66.7 122 1 8 5 62.5 108 2
Samford 4 2 50.0 37 1 13 7 53.8 88 1
USM 4 2 50.0 22 0 7 4 57.1 47 0
Rutgers 7 7 100.0 61 1 21 9 42.9 121 1
A&M 19 11 57.9 198 2 17 6 35.3 84 1
Florida 16 9 56.3 97 0 27 8 29.6 67 0
USCjr 5 3 60.0 10 0 8 1 12.5 20 0
Alabama 12 5 41.7 49 0 13 2 15.4 42 0
Auburn 10 3 30.0 19 0 17 9 52.9 105 1
Ole Miss 11 7 63.6 35 1 21 11 52.4 158 1
Ms. State 8 5 62.5 64 0 9 5 56.6 50 0
LSU 11 8 72.7 62 2 18 11 61.1 116 0
Totals TE/RB 122 72 59.0 776 8
Totals WR 179 78 43.6 1006 7
The TEs and RBs were pretty consistent all season long in the passing game, the WRs were a huge disappointment in several games and let the team down.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:19 pm to DaleDenton
Sure would have liked to see what it would have been like if George McDonald stayed. Our florida recruiting might not have taken as much of a hit when Partridge left
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:53 pm to DaleDenton
We at least need to let them get over the nerves of running out to the huddle and calling a few plays before 60 to 70 thousand people.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:58 pm to WonderWartHawg
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We at least need to let them get over the nerves of running out to the huddle and calling a few plays before 60 to 70 thousand people.
I agree, I was just stating it isn't really anything out of the norm for Arkansas and the position.
The good back up candidates transfer out when they don't win the job, more to a different position, are are not real good quality back up candidates when they stay.
It hasn't really mattered who the coach was, we have a hard time keeping a roster to decent ones with experience for some reason.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:47 pm to TheCheshireHog
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What are your thoughts?
The thing I didn't like about Allen was past 10 yards or outside the hashes his accuracy was crap.
Hopefully that was just the bad shoulder, but I dunno.
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