Silicon Valley Libertarians turning to Neoreactionary beliefs.

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the best we can probably do is democracy and getting moneyed interests out of Washington by repealing Citizens United and seriously reforming campaign funding.

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Moneyed interest has been, will always be involved in American politics. I find it laughable that some people think Citizens United being repealed will lead to some progressive utopia.

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No one ever claimed its repeal would fix everything. It's a good starting point though.

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Symbolic for those who fear corporate tyranny. Nothing will change.

It would be so horrible if our elections weren't bought and sold. Horrible.

We have a "free media" but it is also subject to financial manipulation.

Neo-reactionaries seem to love them some Putin.

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The most efficient solution is probably to reduce the power of the government rather than who can lobby them.

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I say bring many of these powers back to the states. Issues on the state level directly effect people and thus they'll actually pay more attention.

My idea:

-Pay people to vote, either via tax breaks or something else, but we need higher turnout.
-Give state governments more rights and repeal federal government power as much as we can.
-At the polls, there are no candidate names, political parties, or pictures, only a bulleted list of their platform and ideas that they are running on. Candidate A, Candidate B, and so on.
-People choose based on the issues and their actual beliefs, not on social pressure.


Its embarrassing how people blindly vote for whoever they think they should.

There are hundreds of thousands of black people that voted for Obama because he was black and they have no idea what he actually stands for or wanted to accomplish.

Also vice versa, there are hundreds of thousands of white people that voted for Romney because Obama was black and a democrat, even though they have no clue what either candidate was trying to accomplish.


Howard Stern and Jimmy Kimmel both do an incredible bit on their shows where they walk up to people on the street and say "Do you agree with the fact that Romney wants to nationalize healthcare?" and whities would be like "HELL YEAH WE LOVE ROMNEY!" and black people would say "NO CHANCE! OBAMA IS MY GUY!".

Or, "Do you agree with Obama's plans to increase our military presence in the MIddle East?" and the democrats would say "HELL YEAH!".

And so on...Both parties were equally stupid and uninformed.


Its truly embarrassing how stupid and uninformed the electorate is in this country.

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Getting rid of the two party system would also be a great start.

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See my sig quote!

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Are you simple, or do you just like to grossly oversimplify things?

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Oh, I could be so indoctrinated like you that I have to pick and choose demons instead of looking at the roots of the problem. I'll be you spout FOX and KOCH BROTHERS with the best of them.

If you want to change the system, change the people you put in office. I'll bet you vote 100% party line.

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Oh, I could be so indoctrinated like you

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Thus far I stated I'm not completely sure what I believe, but ideally I like Marxism or philosopher king rule, but in practice, the best we could possibly do is democracy (without big moneyed interest) and that strikes you as indoctrinated? Read a book.

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Now, get some real world experience.

The current system is either going to be dominated by money over the table or under the table. It's impossible to get it out. We'll never have a marxist system and the days of Plato and his utopian fantasies are long gone.

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Based on what you quoted and your response, if you have read many books, I doubt you were able to comprehend them very well. I said ideally I like 2 systems, but in practice another is better, and then you proceed to tell me that those two ideal systems could never work in practice

And with respect to it being "impossible" to get big money out of politics, again I ask if you're from the future. Your guess isn't any better than mine. Countries make progress all the time that decades and centuries prior were thought of as impossible. And I'm not referring to technological advances.

It's also funny that you imply that I vote exclusively along party lines considering I haven't once mentioned a party. The only preference I've mentioned is that we need big money out of politics, which by the way most Americans agree with. Literally all you're doing is repeatedly responding to this idea with "no, that will never happen," even when presented with a practical, concrete example of something that WOULD diminish the impact money can have on elections (Citizens United). Then you say some obvious (and not necessarily correct) statement like "we have to change who we elect if we want change" without acknowledging that maybe if the people we elected felt free to vote for what they thought was actually best, free of threat of corporations funding their rivals, perhaps we could see change as well.

So to summarize, you're simple and every response you've made is simple.