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Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:56 am
Posted by DirtyDawg
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:56 am
Who in the world thought this was necessary to teach to elementary aged kids? I just looked at some sample problems and was left wondering what in the hell happened that caused such a system to be put in place. The math itself is pretty basic, but the way to get to the answer is more convoluted than the DMV.


Sample Problems
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:00 am to
Lol, that's stupid. Then again I'm a huge believer in K.I.S.S.
Posted by DirtyDawg
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15539 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:11 am to
Keep it simple, Stupid?
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:11 am to
Yep
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:48 am to
That was the code my College Advisor/Prof lived by KISS.

Back on topic though.

My wife teaches 3rd grade and they HAVE to teach the kids multiple ways to do math problems and all instead of teaching just 1 way. The reasoning is "because different kids learn differently"

That's stupid to me cause i believe the kids will get confused on the different methods as blend multiple methods into 1
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 5:17 am to
Common Core is awful.

And thank your politicians. They're the ones making the big decisions on this. And a lot of school districts can't give up the federal or state money they'd lose if they abandoned it. Indiana is trying (they gave it up) and it's put them in a crunch.
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
17206 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 5:19 am to
Wow that sucks, I have no idea what any of those terms they were referring to are. Very simple problems, very easy to teach kids, but what the shite are they trying to do?

Gonna have a very confused little boy asking dad for help in a few years.
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:28 am to
I see some value in the different methods. Gets kids accustomed to theory earlier. However, it looks confusing as frick to someone who never did it.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:42 am to
No Child Left Behind bitches. It doesn't mean everyone learns. It just means everyone is equally confused.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:53 am to
OMG!!!! They're being taught different that I was !!! Indoctrination!!!!!


I have two kids in school and while I was thoroughly confused as shite at some of the stuff they have brought home, once I figured out what was being taught it made sense. I dig it, and it has helped my son in math immensely.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 7:12 am to
The larger issue is that we should be trying to encourage parents to work with their kids (better than half of the problem in schools today) and it makes it increasingly difficult when you have to deal with educating the parent along with the child in order for the child to get help outside of school hours.

Also some of the theories being taught doesn't make a lot of since for simplified math and other subjects. For instance, in language arts they're totally abandoning creative writing for business writing and the such.

Trying to set up a curriculum that is universal across all states is a noble effort but like NCLB it's not the right effort.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 7:12 am
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:13 am to
The theory won't make sense for simple math but should show its advantage when kids normally hit the wall in algebra and geometry.
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:15 am to
i'm glad people are seeing the issues with it outside of the whole "right wing lunatics don't like it because it's socialism" or whatever. it's just really stupid stuff in general.

I get the idea of having them find the answer in different ways, but that's asinine.

quote:

The theory won't make sense for simple math but should show its advantage when kids normally hit the wall in algebra and geometry.



and i get that part of it for sure. i was terrible at algebra, but I kinda had the attitude of "eff you" i got the answer, you don't need to see my work.

which is why i suck at math.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:15 am to
Naturally. Problem is it's being taught for simplified math. I had a great Calc teacher in HS that taught us different ways of getting to the point (and no calculators to boot). You don't need the common core to do that. And introducing new theories/disciplines has it's time and place.

It'll all be one big clusterfrick when teachers later are going to have to reteach when common core is likely out of the picture.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:20 am to
Holy shite. What happened to teaching simple math the old fashioned way?
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:23 am to
I get that, but that's not really the prevailing criticism I see for CC. I admit I was a bit frustrated when my kids first started bringing stuff home and I was looking at it. Instead of writing it off though, I worked through it and figured out what the lesson of it was and it started making more sense. He is excelling at math now when he was really struggling with it prior to CC.

Lazy parents are gonna lazy parent no matter what the curriculum is.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35606 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:23 am to
I see a lot of number properties being introduced in these problems. That's how I do mental math. I can see the potential for much confusion but down the road I suspect you'll see kids better with math. At some point I'm sure it gets asinine like anything like this does, but the math I really believe will end up more helpful than harmful.

There are a lot of factors that go into making it work though, like teachers who understand it and we'll explained textbooks with tons of examples. If those foundations aren't in place, I think this better idea of teaching the subject will fail. I suspect that's a large part of the problem all of you are having with it too.

You're in education Belle, am I missing the mark by a lot?
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:27 am to
quote:

I just looked at some sample problems and was left wondering what in the hell happened that caused such a system to be put in place.

The DoE and our lovely public school system.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:31 am to
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Common Core is awful.


Agree completely Belle
Posted by silverdawg
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:32 am to
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