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Orson Charles arrested
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:42 am
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:50 am to ugasickem
Eating the soup when it is too hot?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:52 am to Peter Buck
lol I was gonna say leaving soup unattended
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:00 am to ugasickem
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anyone know what wanton endangerment entails?
Waving a gun in anger at someone would do it.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:03 am to ugasickem
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anyone know what wanton endangerment entails?
it was in a link in the link
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WKYT pulled Charles's arrest citation in Madison County. In it, police say someone called 911 on Monday evening, reporting that another driver waived a gun at them in a case of road rage. Police pulled over a car matching the suspect's description, and they say Charles was the driver. According to the arrest citation, police found a gun in Charles's girlfriend's purse.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:03 am to Peter Buck
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Eating the soup when it is too hot?
Or endangering the chef making the Wanton soup
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:15 am to DawgCountry
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endangering the chef
Then hang em high. And I always liked Orson
frick em
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:07 pm to ugasickem
Wantans dipped in sweet and sour sauce are one of life's great pleasures!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:46 pm to Litigator
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putting someone else at risk of serious physical injury
I'm surprised our offensive line isn't behind bars.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:07 pm to ugasickem
This doesn't sound like something Orson would do. Guy is pretty reserved every time I've ever seen him. I don't think this sticks. It's a word vs word thing with no physical proof. And these days you can claim someone has a gun and you got about a 50/50 chance they do. Plus I'm sure Orson was driving a really nice car and this guy may have recognized him and may be looking to sue for a payday. There's a ton of possible defenses for Orson here.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:30 pm to BeefDawg
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It's a word vs word thing with no physical proof.
You mean physical proof beyond the gun?
"WKYT pulled Charles's arrest citation in Madison County. In it, police say someone called 911 on Monday evening, reporting that another driver waived a gun at them in a case of road rage. Police pulled over a car matching the suspect's description, and they say Charles was the driver. According to the arrest citation, police found a gun in Charles's girlfriend's purse."
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:44 pm to FaCubeItches
So someone "saying" someone waived a gun at them means he must have done it since they found a gun in the car?
So there's no chance that this guy overheard Orson earlier say something about a gun in his GF's purse, recognizing him as a wealthy pro athlete, and then decided to make up a bullshite story hoping to file a law suit eventually and get paid.
I mean you must be right, everybody is honest and would never dream of such possibilities.
So there's no chance that this guy overheard Orson earlier say something about a gun in his GF's purse, recognizing him as a wealthy pro athlete, and then decided to make up a bullshite story hoping to file a law suit eventually and get paid.
I mean you must be right, everybody is honest and would never dream of such possibilities.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:44 pm to BeefDawg
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So someone "saying" someone waived a gun at them means he must have done it since they found a gun in the car?
For the record, I often carry a gun in my car. I guess it might be bad for me if I happened to be driving a similar vehicle on the same interstate, huh?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:26 pm to S1C EM
These cases can be difficult to prosecute for a few reasons. Road rage cases aren't that uncommon as far as criminal cases go. Some involve mouthing and threats, some involve weapons, and some involve one vehicle making contact or trying to make contact with the other.
If the occupants of the other vehicle are from somewhere else, maybe several states away, the case becomes more difficult to prosecute because it may be costly to summon them to a trial and they may not want to go through the hassle of coming back. I was involved in defending one where the long distance truck drivers who were allegedly threatened by my client lived out West and that played a big part in the prosecutor ultimately deciding not to follow through with the prosecution.
As the police did not actually witness the incident you usually end up with the occupants of one vehicle saying one thing and the occupants of the other saying the opposite thing with oftentimes no evidence to corroborate either version.
The gun could be problematical if it could be established that the gun allegedly waved was the same gun found in the vehicle. That could be difficult to establish though as these things usually happen suddenly and will definitely be a focal point of the case.
For all these same reasons there is usually also a fair chance of getting a negotiated plea to a lesser charge including a misdemeanor.
If the occupants of the other vehicle are from somewhere else, maybe several states away, the case becomes more difficult to prosecute because it may be costly to summon them to a trial and they may not want to go through the hassle of coming back. I was involved in defending one where the long distance truck drivers who were allegedly threatened by my client lived out West and that played a big part in the prosecutor ultimately deciding not to follow through with the prosecution.
As the police did not actually witness the incident you usually end up with the occupants of one vehicle saying one thing and the occupants of the other saying the opposite thing with oftentimes no evidence to corroborate either version.
The gun could be problematical if it could be established that the gun allegedly waved was the same gun found in the vehicle. That could be difficult to establish though as these things usually happen suddenly and will definitely be a focal point of the case.
For all these same reasons there is usually also a fair chance of getting a negotiated plea to a lesser charge including a misdemeanor.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 3:24 pm to BeefDawg
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So someone "saying" someone waived a gun at them means he must have done it since they found a gun in the car?
Holy moving goalposts, Batman!
You said that it was a word-vs.-word thing with no physical proof. Except there is physical proof - the witness said there was a gun, and when police checked the vehicle that matched the description given by the witness, there was a gun. That does not mean that Charles is guilty; however, it is physical evidence that corroborates the witness' statement.
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So there's no chance that this guy overheard Orson earlier say something about a gun in his GF's purse, recognizing him as a wealthy pro athlete, and then decided to make up a bullshite story hoping to file a law suit eventually and get paid.
Why stop with that insane theory - why not go all the way and posit that the guy planted the gun in her purse. Hell, maybe the guy and Orson's girlfriend are in a conspiracy to shake him down. Are either within the realm of theoretical possibility? Sure. Do either get past Occam's Razor? No, at least not with actual proof beyond speculation and conjecture. Just as a starting point, if the guy was going to try something like this, he'd have identified Orson as the guy brandishing the gun, not just given a description of the car.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 3:34 pm to ugasickem
SIAP, but it was a road rage incident. Not a big deal, tbh, the other driver was probably being an oblivious fricking retard.
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:07 pm to FaCubeItches
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FaCubeItches
The witness was a passenger in the accusing driver's car. They're biased as frick and no judge will actually accept their word as legit as a result.
You're pretty much a moron.
Women sleep with professional athletes for the sole purpose of getting pregnant so they can make an alimony claim.
People fake or cause car accidents for a living simply so they can defraud the insurance company out of thousands.
People fake slip-and-fall injuries at department stores all the time, again to make bogus injury claims and sue companies for pain and suffering.
Dude, there are professional con-artists that make a shite ton of money committing fraud all the time. Picking on rich people is very often who they target.
So stop being a naïve moron and acting like I'm suggesting something that's obscure and never happens.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:36 pm to BeefDawg
You're listing civil claims, fricktard, not criminal allegations.
You're also presuming - without any evidence - that the people in the car: (1) knew it was Orson; (2) that there was a gun in the car; (3) that the cops would be able to find *his* particular car; (4) before he could ditch the gun; (5) that there would be an arrest; (6) that there would be a formal charge; (7) that there would be a trial and a conviction; (8) that they could then follow up with a civil suit, wherein they could state and subtantiate a valid claim that would actually entitle them to monetary damages.
That's radically different than somebody knocking up a girl, or a questionable slip & fall that gets a cost-of-defense or smaller settlement.
What law school did you attend? Whichever one it was, demand a refund, because you clearly failed Evidence.
"Objection, your honor; move to preclude the witness from testifying."
"On what grounds, counsel?"
"This witness was one of the people in the car with the man allegedly threatened by the defendant. Therefore, he's biased as frick."
"Any authority for that objection, counsel?"
"Uh, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?"
"Overruled."
You're also presuming - without any evidence - that the people in the car: (1) knew it was Orson; (2) that there was a gun in the car; (3) that the cops would be able to find *his* particular car; (4) before he could ditch the gun; (5) that there would be an arrest; (6) that there would be a formal charge; (7) that there would be a trial and a conviction; (8) that they could then follow up with a civil suit, wherein they could state and subtantiate a valid claim that would actually entitle them to monetary damages.
That's radically different than somebody knocking up a girl, or a questionable slip & fall that gets a cost-of-defense or smaller settlement.
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They're biased as frick and no judge will actually accept their word as legit as a result.
What law school did you attend? Whichever one it was, demand a refund, because you clearly failed Evidence.
"Objection, your honor; move to preclude the witness from testifying."
"On what grounds, counsel?"
"This witness was one of the people in the car with the man allegedly threatened by the defendant. Therefore, he's biased as frick."
"Any authority for that objection, counsel?"
"Uh, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?"
"Overruled."
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