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Are there really great programs or just great coaches?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:29 am
What says the rant? Take South cackalack for example. In football.
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:33 am to LukeSidewalker
Coaches build the great programs through recruiting, mentality, and system. A great program needs all three.
So I would lean toward the great coaches aspect.
Edit: as for Spurrier, he can't recruit at USC like he did at Florida. Put him back at Florida and he would have them at a top level again.
So I would lean toward the great coaches aspect.
Edit: as for Spurrier, he can't recruit at USC like he did at Florida. Put him back at Florida and he would have them at a top level again.
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:34 am to LukeSidewalker
Spurrier is a great coach who is building a program. We were absolute garbage for 100 plus years before he got here. Had a few good years, but nothing like what we have had the last three.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:36 am to LukeSidewalker
Great programs are not enough to will a team to win.
Tennessee has had a ton of talent the past decade and no great (good) coach to lead them.
You need a good coach, but a program with a history of greatness attracts good coaches. (no clue how we got Pearl)
Tennessee has had a ton of talent the past decade and no great (good) coach to lead them.
You need a good coach, but a program with a history of greatness attracts good coaches. (no clue how we got Pearl)
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:38 am to UpstateCock2007
Yep, Spurrier has USC at a level they've never been. But they are still missing the recruiting part. Yes, they recruit well, but not quite good enough.
Auburn has had a few really good years of recruiting under Chizik, but you saw what happens when you take out the mentality part. The players don't have the edge needed. Gus may have brought that back last year, and the team excelled.
Auburn has had a few really good years of recruiting under Chizik, but you saw what happens when you take out the mentality part. The players don't have the edge needed. Gus may have brought that back last year, and the team excelled.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:39 am to LukeSidewalker
I'm inclined to say there are only great coaches.
Look at the flubs that have come through Bama, Texas and USCw for instance. It can happen.
Bear did great everywhere he went, including freaking Kentucky.
Ole Miss was once great because of Vaught. Before and after him? Mediocre AT BEST.
I think some programs are just most attractive to the great coaches, though. So there's that.
Look at the flubs that have come through Bama, Texas and USCw for instance. It can happen.
Bear did great everywhere he went, including freaking Kentucky.
Ole Miss was once great because of Vaught. Before and after him? Mediocre AT BEST.
I think some programs are just most attractive to the great coaches, though. So there's that.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:40 am to LukeSidewalker
It is a self fulfilling prophesy of sorts. A great coach builds a program. When he leaves, the program is more attractive and, thus, able to hire another great coach. Eventually, a program has done this enough - even with a few hiccups like what Texas, Bama, Michigan, ND, and USC have had - and it becomes easier to sustain and/or recover from said hiccup hires.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:41 am to LukeSidewalker
I'd say a little of both.
Take $aban for example:
Before he came to UA, he averaged 4 losses per year. Good but not great. Now a lot of people consider him the best in the business. If he would have went to South Crackalaky and Spurrier to UA, how would he be viewed? Would he have been able to do what Spurrier did without the top recruiting classes?
Take $aban for example:
Before he came to UA, he averaged 4 losses per year. Good but not great. Now a lot of people consider him the best in the business. If he would have went to South Crackalaky and Spurrier to UA, how would he be viewed? Would he have been able to do what Spurrier did without the top recruiting classes?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:42 am to Meno's Paradox
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and it becomes easier to sustain and/or recover from said hiccup hires.
But once a program is built by one great coach and then flounders when that coach leaves, the program is rebuilt by another great coach.
What I'm saying is the program is only great when the coach is.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:44 am to i am dan
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Take Saban for example: Before he came to UA, he averaged 4 losses per year. Good but not great. Now a lot of people consider him the best in the business. If he would have went to South Crackalaky and Spurrier to UA, how would he be viewed? Would he have been able to do what Spurrier did without the top recruiting classes?
Bama was great under Bryant, Stallings, and Saban. Three damn fine coaches. All the years without those coaches, the great Bama program was in hibernation awaiting the next great coach.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:49 am to Meno's Paradox
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It is a self fulfilling prophesy of sorts. A great coach builds a program. When he leaves, the program is more attractive and, thus, able to hire another great coach. Eventually, a program has done this enough - even with a few hiccups like what Texas, Bama, Michigan, ND, and USC have had - and it becomes easier to sustain and/or recover from said hiccup hires.
This. Great coaches build programs and/or take advantage of the benefits of said programs.
Saban built LSU into what it has become. Spurrier built Florida into what it has become. Both programs went out (excepting Zook) and hired great coaches to cultivate those programs.
Spurrier has built South Carolina into a *much* more attractive job now than what it was when he took over. If they hire the right successor, he can develop what Spurrier built and reap even more benefits.
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:49 am to LukeSidewalker
Coaches I think. But great programs can turn around a lot quicker.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:01 am to UpstateCock2007
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but nothing like what we have had the last three.
3 straight runner up trophies! Where do you keep them? Or does your school make "We beat the SEC East Champions." trophies instead?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:35 am to i am dan
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Take Saban for example: Before he came to UA, he averaged 4 losses per year. Good but not great. Now a lot of people consider him the best in the business. If he would have went to South Crackalaky and Spurrier to UA, how would he be viewed? Would he have been able to do what Spurrier did without the top recruiting classes?
Gtrat answer.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:37 am to LukeSidewalker
Great programs who tend to hire good/great coaches who maintain the program.
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