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SEC needs to step up and hire some real basketball coaches
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:05 pm
We have the best athletes down here in the south. No reason why the SEC should be as bad as it is now. Even though I think we are better than what the media says. Outside of Frank Martin, Donovan, Calipari, Fox, Anderson, Stallings and maybe Counzo Martin, the rest of the coaches are nothing special. I'm sick of some of these football schools not investing in good basketball coaches and instead hiring a mediocre up and comer. There is no reason why we can't dominate NCAA basketball just like we do in Football and Baseball.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:07 pm to Gcockboi
Best athlete =/= best basketball player
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:07 pm to Gcockboi
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South Carolina Fan
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Frank Martin
Of course
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:09 pm to Gcockboi
Our mediocre coach we want to fire is 15-21 in SEC play. Frank Martin, who you spent all that money on, is 9-27. So there's that too
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:10 pm to Gcockboi
Making a huge generalization here ...
But it's hard to blame the "SEC."
Basketball tends to be more popular in urban areas of colder weather states.
SEC = more rural.
That doesn't negate your post though.
A better coach at A&M would be a nice start.
But it's hard to blame the "SEC."
Basketball tends to be more popular in urban areas of colder weather states.
SEC = more rural.
That doesn't negate your post though.
A better coach at A&M would be a nice start.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:12 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Best athlete =/= best basketball player
Uptempo offenses negate that.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:13 pm to Gcockboi
Most SEC schools are spending ridiculous amounts of money on football (coaches, facilities, etc). More money to be made there, so that's where the focus is.
Honestly, with Kentucky and Florida being really good in basketball (most years), the SEC is always near the top in both major sports.
Honestly, with Kentucky and Florida being really good in basketball (most years), the SEC is always near the top in both major sports.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:15 pm to Gcockboi
We got Haith. I suggest the rest of you step up your game.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 5:27 pm to Mizzeaux
Bruce Pearl is the best we can do.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 6:48 pm to AUCE05
You're right. But, the problem is the talent goes to the traditional basketball schools. It's a long road to hoe, to get these players to think home first.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 7:22 pm to bamamonty
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You're right. But, the problem is the talent goes to the traditional basketball schools. It's a long road to hoe, to get these players to think home first.
Doesn't help that these HS kids watch Duke, UK, Syracuse, Kansas, etc play in front of huge, hyped crowds while the SEC teams play mostly in half filled arenas. But, exactly, the coaches have to bring the excitement to the league, which attracts fans and top shelf players.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:35 pm to Gcockboi
Smart players that understand discipline and can shoot well
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Basic athlete types that are un-coachable and default to playing street ball style.
That's the big difference in the type of players you see at the northern schools.
Just a couple of facts.
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Basic athlete types that are un-coachable and default to playing street ball style.
That's the big difference in the type of players you see at the northern schools.
Just a couple of facts.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:37 pm to Gcockboi
We need more Frank Haith kind of guys in this conference.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:38 pm to Gcockboi
Fans complain a lot about SEC basketball coaches but most of the coaches in the conference were fairly sought after when they arrived.
It's not like any other conference is consistently making considerably more high profile hires aside from the established elite programs.
I don't know the answer to the recent SEC struggles but I'd think it has more to do with the talent pool of recruiting.
When the league was much better in 90s and early 00's, for example, it was mainly because almost all the programs would have a Top15 caliber every few years and the key to that was having some legitimate NBA talent.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:43 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Your mediocre coach that you want to fire didn't have to pick up the mess created after Darrin Horn single-handedly tried to kill the basketball program. Martin is in the early stages of a massive reclamation project, but he had his team pointed in the right direction by season's end.
The guy who hired both Horn and Martin is now at aTm. Watch his coaching decisions carefully.
The guy who hired both Horn and Martin is now at aTm. Watch his coaching decisions carefully.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:45 pm to RoyalAir
So is that a good or a bad warning RE: Hyman?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:53 pm to bamamonty
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You're right. But, the problem is the talent goes to the traditional basketball schools. It's a long road to hoe, to get these players to think home first.
That's true but I'm not sure it hasn't always been an issue even when you'd have 4-5 SEC teams in the top25 and higher tourney seeds every year.
Have recruiting demographics shifted to where a higher percentage of NBA picks now come from outside the area where most SEC teams (aside from Kentucky / Florida) can successfully recruit?
Is it that mid major programs now have a bit more TV exposure and are taking away a few extra quality players more consistently?
I really don't know the answer but the SEC was hardly filled with truly great coaches when it was a lot more successful on average. Look at Gottfried at Alabama and the difference in NBA talent from what Grant's brought in. This seems more the norm across the league recently.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:59 pm to wm72
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Have recruiting demographics shifted to where a higher percentage of NBA picks now come from outside the area where most SEC teams (aside from Kentucky / Florida) can successfully recruit?
I don't think this is it. I just don't think the level of financial commitment to basketball from SEC football schools has kept up with their peers in other conferences. I know that's true at UGA.
It's hard to recruit great players when it's blatantly obvious that the school doesn't care as much about basketball as the other options. On top of this, kids care less about proximity to home than ever before. They've already travelled all over the country in AAU.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:04 pm to ehidal1
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Doesn't help that these HS kids watch Duke, UK, Syracuse, Kansas, etc play in front of huge, hyped crowds while the SEC teams play mostly in half filled arenas. But, exactly, the coaches have to bring the excitement to the league, which attracts fans and top shelf players.
Comparing a conference to basketball blue bloods isn't fair. I don't think money towards basketball is the issue either. The SEC outspend A10, Big East and American on basketball ,but right now you guys just aren't getting the bang for your buck. Just give it time and the SEC will be back in basketball.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 10:08 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don't think this is it. I just don't think the level of financial commitment to basketball from SEC football schools has kept up with their peers in other conferences. I know that's true at UGA.
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On top of this, kids care less about proximity to home than ever before. They've already travelled all over the country in AAU.
Thanks. I don't really follow recruiting all that much but players being more willing to go to a school out area does make sense.
That extra NBA (or even fringe NBA talent) makes a huge difference.
The league's never really had a consistently "elite" program outside of Kentucky but, to me, the huge difference the past few years has been that when a Georgia, Miss St, Alabama, LSU etc had a good season every few years it meant they were top10 caliber teams whereas now the highpoint seasons seem more NCAA tourney 11 seed level. The difference was usually one extra big time player on the roster compared to what you see now.
Is it that mid major programs in addition to other major conference schools are attracting more talent from the area with their commitment to basketball?
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