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re: SEC needs to step up and hire some real basketball coaches

Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:36 am to
Posted by Gcockboi
Rock Hill
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:36 am to
I said Fox is a good coach.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:16 am to
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Martin
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Fox
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Anderson


Really?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25877 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:32 am to
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Is it that mid major programs in addition to other major conference schools are attracting more talent from the area with their commitment to basketball?

Mid-majors do a little damage, but the biggest impact imo comes when mid-level programs in other major conferences are able to cherry pick from the SEC footprint.

The kids who go to UNC, Duke, UK, etc. will always go to those places. When a program like UVA, NC State, B1G schools, etc. can recruit the area as well or more successfully than SEC schools, that's a problem.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 11:33 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99035 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:39 am to
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We need a rule change....use baseball model, if you go to college you stay 3 years.


And these teams weren't that good pre-rule change. A rule change won't be some magic fix for the conference.

As far as hiring coaches, schools not named Kentucky or Florida aren't going to get an elite coach in their prime. They're pretty well either going to have to pick up a coach with some baggage (Pearl), a top coach on the downside of his career, or an up and comer. Get the right one of those guys, who can recruit, and you'll be in good shape.
Posted by Tds & Beer
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:36 pm to
Good basketball coaches come to the sec and cant do their job. These athletes dont know how to play the game the right way. These coaches have to tone down their teaching. They start out with players with nothing but bad habits and lack of basketball iq. The main problem is in the high school shite coaches.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:43 pm to
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Uptempo offenses negate that.


So slower athletes playing faster negates better athletes?

BTW, those basketball players from up north are pretty damned good athletes. In fact, one of them from Ohio is not only the one of the best basketball players in the world but is also one of the best athletes in the world.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:44 pm to
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the SEC is always near the top in both major sports.


No, it isn't. Kentucky and Florida are top basketball programs. The rest of the SEC, no.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5886 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:46 pm to
He was actually complimenting UGA for the Fox hire, you idiot.

Posted by tickfawtiger
Killian LA
Member since Sep 2005
10981 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:53 pm to
You may be on to something there. Aren't the vast majority of southern HS basketball coaches also and primarily asst. football coaches ? Perhaps a tad too much of the "tunnel/coaching" technique, at play ?
Posted by todospm
Member since Sep 2013
526 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:35 pm to
HS basketball in the North is much, much better than high school basketball in the South.

Not as big a gulf as exists the other way in football. But Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Rochester, NYC... all the rust belt cities with high numbers of African Americans have amazing basketball.

Ohio's cities and Pittsburgh are probably the only ones which focus on football the way the south does.

It's not a matter of keeping SEC athletes in the SEC, either. The B10's geographical footprint just produces more blue chippers. Too bad they don't go to B10 schools as often as they go to Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc.

Calipari took Memphis to a final with Derrick Rose and Chris Douglas Roberts. Won it all at Kentucky with Anthony Davis and MKG.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:37 pm to
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HS basketball in the North is much, much better than high school basketball in the South.


This is true. I spent a year in high school on the west coast and the atmosphere, importance and general crowd of basketball games were as intense as football games.

I come to AU and the crowd acts as if they have never seen a basketball much less a game. Nobody cares about BBall or understands how to be a bball crowd.

Posted by todospm
Member since Sep 2013
526 posts
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:45 pm to
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This is true. I spent a year in high school on the west coast and the atmosphere, importance and general crowd of basketball games were as intense as football games.

I come to AU and the crowd acts as if they have never seen a basketball much less a game. Nobody cares about BBall or understands how to be a bball crowd.



Yep. In Chicago and Detroit, it's like the knob has been cranked fully in the other direction. Football is the off-season diversion.

I think it has to do with a couple of things:
1) cold weather and densely populated areas

2) the historic dominance of the Eastern conference and northern city teams in the NBA. Until the rise of the Suns, Spurs and Rockets, only the Lakers could hang with the Celtics, Bulls, 76ers, Pistons, Knicks, etc. (And look how popular basketball is in Los Angeles). Southern teams like Orlando and Miami didn't emerge until later, at which point basketball was firmly cemented as the most popular sport up North. For example, 'Jordan and the Bulls versus the Bad Boys in Detroit' helps explains why Chicago and Detroit are such bball crazy cities, I think.

I remember talking to a coach from a MVC football team, who was frustrated about recruiting the Chicago / Milwaukee area. All his prospects kept deciding to leave behind football to play Horizon League basketball, even though they didn't have the height to ever play professional b-ball.

ETA: That's not to say the South doesn't have great b-ball cities. Memphis in particular, I've heard, but not discounting Houston, New Orleans, Florida's cities, ATL, etc.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 11:51 pm
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42567 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 8:34 am to
Frank Martin will get himself fired.

LSU is in good shape recruiting wise with Johnny Jones - the key will be a good x/o coach on sideline with him.
Posted by BZ853
Member since Aug 2013
1857 posts
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:15 pm to
OP please update.
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