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Ellis Johnson...
Posted on 11/17/13 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/17/13 at 9:03 am
...to me, this is an example of a brilliant hire. Here's a guy who consistently did more with less at USCe and put a solid defensive team on the field year after year. He took a whirl as a HC and it didn't turn out so hot... which ensures that, due to his age, he'll probably work out the rest of his career as a coordinator....ie he's not using the position as a stepping stone.
If I'm AD this is the type of guy I pick up regardless if I'm looking or not unless my current DC is hands down better. We all know know that CTG will probably go back to the NFL at some point. It seems logical to grab talent when it comes open...rather than wait for when it suits your timetable. Grab him...tell CTG "sorry", pay his arse and send him on his way.
Just had to get that out there. We torched AU in the 4th qtr but you could sense that old USCe defense thing going the rest of the game and I'm pissed that we'll be dealing with this (again) for years to come.
If I'm AD this is the type of guy I pick up regardless if I'm looking or not unless my current DC is hands down better. We all know know that CTG will probably go back to the NFL at some point. It seems logical to grab talent when it comes open...rather than wait for when it suits your timetable. Grab him...tell CTG "sorry", pay his arse and send him on his way.
Just had to get that out there. We torched AU in the 4th qtr but you could sense that old USCe defense thing going the rest of the game and I'm pissed that we'll be dealing with this (again) for years to come.
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 9:58 am to SquatchDawg
He gave up 21 in the fourth quarter. 
Posted on 11/17/13 at 10:01 am to ncdawg
Yeah... Johnson is a mercenary hire at DC. He is not a great DC, but he is good. Chances are he will be let go or leave for somewhere new in 2-3 years.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 10:06 am to ncdawg
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He gave up 21 in the fourth quarter
Whats your point? Saban lost to A&M last year....that make him a shitty coach?
Who do you think builds the better D over the next 3 years....Johnson or Grantham?
Posted on 11/17/13 at 10:22 am to SquatchDawg
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Who do you think builds the better D over the next 3 years....Johnson or Grantham?
Johnson....
Posted on 11/17/13 at 10:52 am to davesdawgs
Here is my point. Grantham is awful and Johnson is not the answer.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 11:40 am to ncdawg
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...to me, this is an example of a brilliant hire. Here's a guy who consistently did more with less at USCe and put a solid defensive team on the field year after year. He took a whirl as a HC and it didn't turn out so hot... which ensures that, due to his age, he'll probably work out the rest of his career as a coordinator....ie he's not using the position as a stepping stone. If I'm AD this is the type of guy I pick up regardless if I'm looking or not unless my current DC is hands down better. We all know know that CTG will probably go back to the NFL at some point. It seems logical to grab talent when it comes open...rather than wait for when it suits your timetable. Grab him...tell CTG "sorry", pay his arse and send him on his way. Just had to get that out there. We torched AU in the 4th qtr but you could sense that old USCe defense thing going the rest of the game and I'm pissed that we'll be dealing with this (again) for years to come.
First, let me say I love Georgia. I never, ever pull for them to lose. I think Carolina crapped the bed in Knoxville. I don't even like the idea of wanting anyone to lose.
But to say Johnson did a lot with little at Carolina is not exactly correct.
Giving him credit, he did recruit Clowney and others. That said Spurrier closed the deal on most of these studs.
But he also had Ingram, Swearinger, Gilmore, Holloman and many other terrific players.
He is a good, better-than-adequate DC in my opinion, but he is definitely no Will Muschamp, or the head guy at Oklahoma when it comes to defense. I mean look at some of the Auburn scores. The Tigers just score more than their opponents.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 11:45 am to CocknDawg
My point was he put superior defensive squads on the field...or at least superior to what we've seen at UGA. We need somebody who a) can put together a solid squad and b) isn't building their resume for a HC spot. I'm not saying we go after Ellis....what I'm saying is if somebody that fits the bill comes open you go after them....regardless is you're looking to fill a spot or not.
Plus I would say you give Ellis the talent we've had on D over the last few years ....that D wins football games.
Also....isn't this his first year at AU? Looking at this season alone is a bit short sided. Plus I live in SC...so I know about the "wow...wish we had our old defense back" comments.
Plus I would say you give Ellis the talent we've had on D over the last few years ....that D wins football games.
Also....isn't this his first year at AU? Looking at this season alone is a bit short sided. Plus I live in SC...so I know about the "wow...wish we had our old defense back" comments.
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 11:49 am to ncdawg
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Grantham is awful and Johnson is not the answer.
If we plug in Johnson (and I'm not in love with him in particular, but somebody with a similar resume) I think our D would be much improved. Why is that not the "answer"?
Posted on 11/17/13 at 11:55 am to tylerdurden24
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Yeah... Johnson is a mercenary hire at DC. He is not a great DC, but he is good. Chances are he will be let go or leave for somewhere new in 2-3 years.
I don't know if that's fair....he was working towards a head coaching job....which is pretty standard. He got there....and shite the bed. I bet he's at AU for a while....
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:16 pm to SquatchDawg
Is Muschamp a better DC than TG? What if he is let go as UF's HC this year and is available? I say that admitting I don't know Will's bio/successes between graduating UGA and getting the UF HC job. Seemed to be doing very well at UTa. Thoughts?
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:18 pm to SquatchDawg
rushing defense
Georgia 35th
Auburn 52nd
pass defense
Georgia 85th
Auburn 100th.
Auburn gives up about 8 points per game less than Georgia, but against much weaker opponents.
Clemson, SC, LSU, and Mizzou scored big on us.
So how does that Auburn defense look to you now?
If Ed Orgeron doesn't get the Trojan HC job I say we give him #1M a year as Asst HC and DC. If it takes retiring Richt and hiring Freese from Ole Miss as HC then I'm ready.
Georgia 35th
Auburn 52nd
pass defense
Georgia 85th
Auburn 100th.
Auburn gives up about 8 points per game less than Georgia, but against much weaker opponents.
Clemson, SC, LSU, and Mizzou scored big on us.
So how does that Auburn defense look to you now?
If Ed Orgeron doesn't get the Trojan HC job I say we give him #1M a year as Asst HC and DC. If it takes retiring Richt and hiring Freese from Ole Miss as HC then I'm ready.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:25 pm to SquatchDawg
What is a great Defensive Coordiantor? that's a legitimate question. I hear rumblings from the lSU fan base about Chavis, and we know what kind of defenses he has had over at LSU.
It is looking more and more likely Bo Pellini will be out at Nebraska. He was DC at LSU before, Chavis, I believe. Some did not like him, though. (I'm not sure why on Chavis OR Pellini)
Pellini seems like a good fit for DC IF Grantham is let go, though.
It is looking more and more likely Bo Pellini will be out at Nebraska. He was DC at LSU before, Chavis, I believe. Some did not like him, though. (I'm not sure why on Chavis OR Pellini)
Pellini seems like a good fit for DC IF Grantham is let go, though.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:28 pm to DawgsLife
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Is Muschamp a better DC than TG? What if he is let go as UF's HC this year and is available? I say that admitting I don't know Will's bio/successes between graduating UGA and getting the UF HC job. Seemed to be doing very well at UTa. Thoughts?
His buyout would preclude that. That sucker is set for 20 lives. But Florida isn't going to fire him.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:29 pm to AlaCowboy
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rushing defense
Georgia 35th
Auburn 52nd
pass defense
Georgia 85th
Auburn 100th.
Both defenses are bad but Auburn's defense was clearly better against our offense compared to our defense against their offense. Their DL pretty much dominated the LOS which is why we could not run the ball effectively; they had 323 rushing yard to our 117. Only Murray's heroics got us in position to win the game. Yes, we had a good chance to win but generally the team that wins in the trenches of both sides of the ball usually wins the game and that team was Auburn last night. Not surprisingly we lost for the same reason we got blown out in the first half, shitty defense.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:30 pm to AlaCowboy
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So how does that Auburn defense look to you now?
Its his first year with a team that was truly awful last year...
Seriously? Are you trying to tell me that he's not a good DC? USCe from 2008-2011....ring a bell?
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Under Johnson, South Carolina finished in the Top 15 nationally in total defense three times. In addition to the 2011 mark of No. 4 overall, the USC defense ranked No. 13 in scoring defense (18.8 points per game) and second in pass defense (133 yards per game).
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:31 pm to DawgsLife
Pelinins attitude will not work at GA. Blee dat.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:45 pm to SquatchDawg
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Seriously? Are you trying to tell me that he's not a good DC? USCe from 2008-2011....ring a bell?
No. I'm just saying that this Auburn defense was no shining example of greatness. Our OL had another crappy game like half the games this season. Auburn beat our DBs with timely passes all game long, and beat the offensive tackles on nearly every pass play and that is where we lost the game. Like Tech, they ran the ball all day with mixed results, but when they HAD to have a pass completion they got it. Just like every team has done against us. The DC is to blame for the bad defense, but no one seems to also blame the DB coach. That is where the biggest defensive failure is.
Posted on 11/17/13 at 3:08 pm to davesdawgs
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Both defenses are bad but Auburn's defense was clearly better against our offense compared to our defense against their offense.
I'm not so sure. You mention rushing stats, but that is what Auburn does. Almost exclusively. Let's look at the total numbers:
Third down conversion. An area we have been unhappy about this year:
Georgia 6-12 Auburn 5-15
Total yards:
Georgia 566 Auburn 532. (Remember, Auburn got 73 of their yards on that last blooming play)
We got off to a horrendous start but finished strong. Auburn started off strong but was extremely shaky in the 4th quarter. Any way you slice it, our defense (particularly secondary) needs help. they SHOULD show significant improvement over the off season and look pretty decent next year. The secondary is my biggest area of concern. The rest of the defense showed steady progress all year...the secondary...not so much. Who is the secondary coach?
Posted on 11/17/13 at 3:09 pm to adawgj
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Pelinins attitude will not work at GA. Blee dat.
You very well could be right. I don't know enough about Pellini.
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