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Do you think a spread offense can work long term?
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:08 am
The spread offense has spread throughout college football. It's considered by many to be a great equalizer in the sport.
But the college football landscape is littered with spread offenses that have flamed out after initial success. And the only teams that seem to have sustained success are those that are built on defense and a 'pro-style' offense, see: Alabama. So why do teams insist on going the spread offense route, when it is widely accepted that defense wins championships and there's a reason why it's called a 'pro-style' offense?
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Spread offenses are the great equalizer, an increasingly popular way for teams with lesser talent to compete against teams with more talent. LINK
But the college football landscape is littered with spread offenses that have flamed out after initial success. And the only teams that seem to have sustained success are those that are built on defense and a 'pro-style' offense, see: Alabama. So why do teams insist on going the spread offense route, when it is widely accepted that defense wins championships and there's a reason why it's called a 'pro-style' offense?
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:09 am to hawgfaninc
We are gonna frick your face
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:09 am to hawgfaninc
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'pro-style' offense
is now a misnomer. The NFL runs a mainly spread offense.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:10 am to hawgfaninc
No, it's doomed to fail. Malzahn will realize the error of his ways, leave Auburn for Arky, and start playing "real American Football".
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:11 am to hawgfaninc
Spread can always be stopped. But after the spread starts having incredible success, coaches that aren't necessarily like Saban but nevertheless great coaches, will slightly adjust their recruiting accordingly. In other words, unless you have a pro defense that's coached like Saban, really it would be a good offense to use against said pro style defense. However if you do something like Chavis has done at LSU, using the spread offense against that defense will not be fun for you.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:11 am to hawgfaninc
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But the college football landscape is littered with spread offenses that have flamed out after initial success. And the only teams that seem to have sustained success are those that are built on defense and a 'pro-style' offense, see: Alabama. So why do teams insist on going the spread offense route, when it is widely accepted that defense wins championships and there's a reason why it's called a 'pro-style' offense?
Because if you don't have Alabama talent you look like Arkansas with a pro style offense.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:12 am to RebFeBrees
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We are gonna frick your face
I see your point and I counter with
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:15 am to hawgfaninc
It already has been working long-term. The question is can it sustain success long-term and consistently, and win championships. That hasn't really been answered yet definitively. Every spread based offense that won a BCSNC, hasn't sustained that success. Oklahoma, Florida, Auburn. I think that it will eventually happen, simply because most high schools are running a spread-type offense.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:20 am to The Spleen
It's a stretch to say that oklahoma and Florida have not had continued success. By any rational metric they are two of the 5-6 most successful programs of the BCS era.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:21 am to RollTigers
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:22 am to RollTigers
Here are the winningest programs the last 10 years. I picked 10 years bec 2004 was about the time the "spread offense", really took off.
BSU, OU, LSU, Texas, VT, UF, TCU, Wisky, Ore, UGA.
LSU and Wisky are the only ones that stayed the more traditional pro style and LSU has since moved towards the spread.
I'd say the spread is successful and here to stay.
BSU, OU, LSU, Texas, VT, UF, TCU, Wisky, Ore, UGA.
LSU and Wisky are the only ones that stayed the more traditional pro style and LSU has since moved towards the spread.
I'd say the spread is successful and here to stay.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:23 am to parkjas2001
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is now a misnomer. The NFL runs a mainly spread offense.
The NFL mainly runs a power spread offense. Kind of like what Spurrier runs here.
This post was edited on 11/6/13 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:25 am to RollTigers
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It's a stretch to say that oklahoma and Florida have not had continued success. By any rational metric they are two of the 5-6 most successful programs of the BCS era.
Truth! Oregon has had a successful program since they went to a spread. Just because a school doesn't win a NC doesn't mean a team has been unsuccessful. More and more HS's are running version's of a spread O. The spread is here and it isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:25 am to The Spleen
This is a silly question. Of course the spread can work long term, and of course the teams that win championships tend to have the better players.
It doesn't have to be an either or type argument where you pit these two statements against each other:
-The spread is a gimmick that allows lessor teams to have success.
-The spread will win championships.
Both can be true. Yes, the spread allows a team to mask a poor OL and stay in ballgames by giving their best players the ball in space. Also, yes, the staff with good talent can win championships.
The championship part is particularly true once teams figured out that they can run with power from the spread by utilizing the pistol and motioning a lead blocker into position.
Right now the three best offenses in the SEC are spread offenses.
Additionally, the spread is largely being utilized in the NFL and high school. So, the players are learning the spread early and the NFL teaches it late.
TL:DR - It all comes down to personnel. The spread, "pro-style," triple option, etc. are all viable if you have the right people in place.
It doesn't have to be an either or type argument where you pit these two statements against each other:
-The spread is a gimmick that allows lessor teams to have success.
-The spread will win championships.
Both can be true. Yes, the spread allows a team to mask a poor OL and stay in ballgames by giving their best players the ball in space. Also, yes, the staff with good talent can win championships.
The championship part is particularly true once teams figured out that they can run with power from the spread by utilizing the pistol and motioning a lead blocker into position.
Right now the three best offenses in the SEC are spread offenses.
Additionally, the spread is largely being utilized in the NFL and high school. So, the players are learning the spread early and the NFL teaches it late.
TL:DR - It all comes down to personnel. The spread, "pro-style," triple option, etc. are all viable if you have the right people in place.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:26 am to hawgfaninc
It definitely works in the long term if a team needs to use it. That's not really the question you should be asking. The main question is whether a top team can be more successful using it in the long term than it would be reverting to the more traditional or pro-style set. So Ole Miss or Vandy, for instance, with less historical success in drawing talent, could certainly benefit from long-term use of the spread. Auburn, on the other hand, can benefit but it's questionable that the talent they can attract is best served by maintaining that system.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:26 am to hawgfaninc
Talent wins long term. You could run the Veer if you have enough talent and win.
The limitation on the Spread/HUNH is when the team using it doesn't have the talent to beat better teams. Eventually they will play a defense that has enough speed to shut them down. At the same time, if they have enough talent they can still run the football and get the tough yards as well as spread the field.
Beyond all of that though, there are very few "pure" offensive systems anymore. Most schools have a hybrid of some kind. Defenses will still win more championships long term than offenses though.
The limitation on the Spread/HUNH is when the team using it doesn't have the talent to beat better teams. Eventually they will play a defense that has enough speed to shut them down. At the same time, if they have enough talent they can still run the football and get the tough yards as well as spread the field.
Beyond all of that though, there are very few "pure" offensive systems anymore. Most schools have a hybrid of some kind. Defenses will still win more championships long term than offenses though.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:27 am to aggressor
I am just glad that Gus does not run the spread, I prefer the power football that he favors... He does play HUNH, but that is not the spread.
However, everyone wants to get their playmakers into space. Best to be balanced.
However, everyone wants to get their playmakers into space. Best to be balanced.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:28 am to hawgfaninc
quote:Because they can win and have good seasons running the spread. Alot of them wouldn't win a NC no matter what they run with the talent they have or are likely to get. That is why schools like Arkansas that can't get "Alabama" level talent are only good when they run these types of offenses. They would get beat just as bad by the top schools either way but they could beat the mid levels schools more with spread offenses.
So why do teams insist on going the spread offense route, when it is widely accepted that defense wins championships and there's a reason why it's called a 'pro-style' offense?
But don't worry even Saban has talked about turning to the HUNH offense in the near future and his defense will fall off like all the others. Then the nation will all look like the PAC-12.
This post was edited on 11/6/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:29 am to aggressor
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.
Winners adapt, when the spread fails they'll adapt, until then who cares
Winners adapt, when the spread fails they'll adapt, until then who cares
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:30 am to Spaceball 1
If everyone but the QB's hand isn't in the dirt 3pt stance, it's a fricking spread guys, gdamnit.
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