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So is the death penalty officially... dead?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:35 am
I think we've all assumed that the death penalty was to be avoided at all costs seeing how it affected SMU. This point has been suggested during every major investigation probably at some point or another when the death penalty is mentioned (however baselessly).
With today's news, can we safely say that there will in fact never be a death penalty handed out again?
With today's news, can we safely say that there will in fact never be a death penalty handed out again?
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:36 am to Swoopin
I don't think you'll see it again. Too many factor with regards to conference alignments, tv and such. I think you'll just see more of the scholarship reductions so much that they resemble a D-II roster.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:37 am to Swoopin
You seem worried.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:38 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
I agree with NGT.
They'll make the programs wish they were dead, but won't actually kill them.
They'll make the programs wish they were dead, but won't actually kill them.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:38 am to Swoopin
I think so, the NCAA knows how crippling it can be now and as stated above too many other factors to muddy the water.
I can still envision a scenario where a basketball team might get the death penalty, but i can't imagine it ever being dished out to a football team.
I can still envision a scenario where a basketball team might get the death penalty, but i can't imagine it ever being dished out to a football team.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:39 am to Swoopin
I think it can and will happen again.
Also think other punishments will come back into favor while some current ones decline.
Also think other punishments will come back into favor while some current ones decline.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:39 am to Swoopin
Not officially, but practically speaking, yes. As well as TV bans. They will still be there as tools to be used if ever the NCAA were to see fit, but it seems abundantly clear that the NCAA will avoid using them except in the most serious of repeat violator situations.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:39 am to Swoopin
death penalty was for the 80's when most games were not televised.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:39 am to Swoopin
I think it would take another situation similar to SMU: a system in which payers are paid with knowledge by the institution, NCAA busts them and tells institution to cut it out, institution disregards NCAA and allows players to continue to be paid
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:40 am to Stanky Legg
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I agree with NGT.
They'll make the programs wish they were dead, but won't actually kill them.
Pretty much this. By letting players freely transferred(and apparently they're working out a way it won't count towards the 85 scholly limit), reducing scholarships, and putting in the bowl ban they're gonna be playing walk-ons in a couple years.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:44 am to Swoopin
The death penalty hurts the other teams in the conference and on their schedule. The Big 10 would have a heck of a time scrambling to rework the schedules at this late date and the nonconference teams they play would probably have to play a DII team just to field a game. Penn State might be lucky to field a team this year anyway if 50 of their players decide to transfer or give up football. I could see them fielding a team with 35 players this year.
For these reasons I just don't see a scenario for ever using the death penalty again. It is too punitive to the conference and the other schools in the conference. If they had given them the death penalty would the Big 10 be allowed to have a conference championship game this season?
For these reasons I just don't see a scenario for ever using the death penalty again. It is too punitive to the conference and the other schools in the conference. If they had given them the death penalty would the Big 10 be allowed to have a conference championship game this season?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:46 am to Aman
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Penn State might be lucky to field a team this year anyway if 50 of their players decide to transfer or give up football.
I highly doubt they lose 50 players this year.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:49 am to Mullen3:16
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I highly doubt they lose 50 players this year.
I doubt 50 transfer, but a lot will. I know I would. I would want nothing to do with that program and the stigma that goes with it right now.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:52 am to Swoopin
Okay, so imagine a scenario that involves an SMU-type of repeat offender violation.
We'll pick on USC since they're fresh on probation. Say Lane Kiffin is paying players right now, and all the peripheral shady stuff that might come with that. Say they get nailed for that and get a huge NCAA beatdown. (but not death penalty). Then, like in SMU, say they have to keep paying the players so that they don't rat and make it worse. They get caught again paying the same players after the last hypothetical time, and obviously during their in real life probation. Is that death penalty worthy?
If you put that scenario side by side with the Penn State one, can you possibly say that the USC situation was more worthy of the death penalty? Doesn't that send all kinds of wrong messages?
We'll pick on USC since they're fresh on probation. Say Lane Kiffin is paying players right now, and all the peripheral shady stuff that might come with that. Say they get nailed for that and get a huge NCAA beatdown. (but not death penalty). Then, like in SMU, say they have to keep paying the players so that they don't rat and make it worse. They get caught again paying the same players after the last hypothetical time, and obviously during their in real life probation. Is that death penalty worthy?
If you put that scenario side by side with the Penn State one, can you possibly say that the USC situation was more worthy of the death penalty? Doesn't that send all kinds of wrong messages?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:52 am to Aman
quote:I think a lot more would if it weren't so close to the season. There will some pressure and thoughts of abandoning your teammates and the new coaching staff. Once a few break the seal though, I think a significant number will transfer.
I doubt 50 transfer, but a lot will.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:53 am to Aman
Wasn't the "Death Penalty" designed to handle repeat offenders?
IIRC Penn State has been pretty squeaky clean up until this point. Now, if they end up paying players or something like that after this, they may well just take a wrecking ball to ole Beaver Stadium.
IIRC Penn State has been pretty squeaky clean up until this point. Now, if they end up paying players or something like that after this, they may well just take a wrecking ball to ole Beaver Stadium.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:55 am to Swoopin
Absolutely it could happen again.
It could have happened very recently.
USC got caught giving Reggie improper benefits and put on a pretty serious probation.
Had they been caught doing that again while on probation, you would have seen the death penalty,
That's how the DP works in the NCAA. If a school commits extreme violations while already on probation for extreme violations.
It could have happened very recently.
USC got caught giving Reggie improper benefits and put on a pretty serious probation.
Had they been caught doing that again while on probation, you would have seen the death penalty,
That's how the DP works in the NCAA. If a school commits extreme violations while already on probation for extreme violations.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:57 am to Swoopin
Honestly, I think it is a dead issue. There is too much money involved, too many outside influences that would be against it (TV), for it to realistically happen to a major team in a major conference. I could see the NCAA hitting a SWAC or similar conference team with it as a message.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:14 am to sarc
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I think it would take another situation similar to SMU: a system in which payers are paid with knowledge by the institution, NCAA busts them and tells institution to cut it out, institution disregards NCAA and allows players to continue to be paid
We talking about SMU or the Taints?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:17 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
It would have to be very bad. This is the closest the NCAA has come to that penalty. We know the other case "starring down the barrel of the death penalty"
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