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re: ASB trying to get rid of Dixie Update: no vote Dixie to stay

Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:03 am to
Posted by McRebel42
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:03 am to
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As a black male how do I honestly defend Ole Miss if there is a public heated debate about saving Dixie, a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???


This can be taken as I wish I was in Mississippi just as much as the negative connotation that you're implying though.

I understand what it is you are saying and most the time I would 100% agree with you even if I myself might not like what's happening; i.e. From Dixie With Love ~ pissed me off so much that it was being taken away, but if the idiots couldn't stop saying TSWRA, even though my perception of this was different than others, then I was okay with it being taken away.

Here's somewhat my problem with this whole love affair with stripping Ole Miss from its history. In many cases its correct that we should disassociate ourselves from certain negative images like the Confederate Flag & Colonel Reb, but where do we draw the line? Should we tear down the confederate memorial to the University Greys to which our school derives its nickname?? Should we desecrate and destroy the Confederate Graveyard??? All because these things have association and ties to the Civil War and the Confederacy????

Look this is where I have the problem OUR school is different in many ways because of the connection to the old south as you say. IMO this makes us special because it itself is a case study on progression, but does this progression have to come by forsaking all that is Ole Miss. To me I feel the University is more than that and shows how people today can honor those like the University Greys and Southern Heritage yet strive to make things better for today. We are a bridge from the past into the future. So why should we get rid of something like Dixie, to us this truly embodies our attitude of life and love for the place we call home. I wish I was in the Land of Cotton is a line I always think of we I'm very far away from home. NO NOT BECAUSE I WISH I HAD SLAVES AND ALL THAT bullshite, but because I miss the fall days of being in Oxford and the slight rolling hills of Lafayette County, the flatlands of the delta, beautiful blondes of Ole Miss, the drunken debauchery of the square, in all I miss my real home, my university, my family, Rebelnation!

Okay here's the thing OUR University is complex it's not just black & white, there are grey areas and it this case this is a grey area to me. Should we forsake Dixie for what you deem progress, IMO if we do we might as well tear down the memorial, change our name and colors. Or instead, we can find true progress and find a way to coexist in the world where we don't have to sacrifice everything we hold dear for another. This university had ties to the Civil War and yes that war had so much wrong in so many ways but it is OUR history and its is apart of us, if you can see why it would be a shame to separate Ole Miss from some parts of its past and act like it never happen then I really don't know what to say to you.

I am all for progression, understanding and equality but somewhere I/we have to draw a line. I/we never did anything for the ridicule and criticism we receive as a whole for the actions of the past, should I as a white male become a slave to make up for the things my ancestors, that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, did. Because in away I feel its one of these things that if you don't agree with what I want you are a RACIST and that's just NOT TRUE.

I know I have been on a rant but I hope you might understand what I am trying to convey. It's my hope that OUR university can bring people to understand these things without their negative connotations by bringing them into the light and showing what they truly mean to the people of the south.

It's my wish that we can make TSWRA a new meaning and that meaning be that we will move past all the negative connotations that are associated with us and we will move the ignorance and bigotry into a new golden age for Southern Peoples, not where we rebel but where we are no longer looked down upon but instead looked up at and it is my belief that Ole Miss and many southern universities can bring us to this point is we can find a way to not only embrace our past but our future together as well.


/rant
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:39 am
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:10 am to
I love the song Dixie and it would make me sad if it was taken away, mainly because I grew up listening to the band play it and it became more of an Ole Miss song to me than a southern or confederate song. That said, if it's taken away I won't put up a fight. I'm surprised that its made it this long honestly.


Sure, you can try to educate others on why it's not offensive or its true origins, but you'll just be fighting a losing battle. The perception is set in stone and just gets stronger each year. I just want what's good for the school, and eliminating such things might help to preserve "ole miss" and "rebels", which are the only things I am absolutely 100% against removing.
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:20 am to
ain't nobody got time for reading that
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:28 am to
quote:

IMO this makes us special because it itself is a case study on progression, but does this progression have to come by forsaking all that is Ole Miss. To me I feel the University is more than that and shows how people today can honor those like the University Grey and Southern Heritage yet strive to make things better for today.


This is a good point. At some point "progression", by removing any and all ties to the southern heritage of Ole Miss, stops being progression and simply becomes hiding. Basically we are trying to delete it from the history books so that it appears to have never happened. That is not progression.

There are better ways to show the rest of the country we have moved on
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:30 am
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:31 am to
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We also wore the grey jerseys last year in the Bama game.



They removed them from next years lineup though. I'm assuming after several people complained that they were basically confederate uniforms with the red/blue and grey
Posted by McRebel42
North Mississippi Hollywood
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:33 am to
quote:

This is a good point. At some point "progression", by removing any and all ties to the southern heritage of Ole Miss, stops being progression and simply becomes hiding. Basically we are trying to delete it from the history books so that it appears to have never happened. That is not progression.

There are better ways to show the rest of the country we have moved on


This is why I don't think Dixie should be removed because it's IMO on an equal plane to Ole Miss & Rebels

ETA:

quote:

Here's somewhat my problem with this whole love affair with stripping Ole Miss from its history. In many cases its correct that we should disassociate ourselves from certain negative images like the Confederate Flag & Colonel Reb, but where do we draw the line? Should we tear down the confederate memorial to the University Greys to which our school derives its nickname?? Should we desecrate and destroy the Confederate Graveyard??? All because these things have association and ties to the Civil War and the Confederacy????

This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:37 am
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:36 am to
agree on all counts
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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37687 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:42 am to
All of that sounds real good when you read it, but you know that's not how it works. In the eyes of the public court it pretty much sounds like Johnny Depp's speech to the judge when he got arrested for all the pot in Blow .
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:43 am to
Good simile
Posted by McRebel42
North Mississippi Hollywood
Member since Oct 2012
11606 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:44 am to
I know but still ...



ETA: I still believe as stated in a response to UMR that as he said there is a point where progression becomes an erasing from history and IMO removing Dixie is the same as losing Ole Miss & Rebels.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:48 am
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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37687 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:45 am to
"But that line you crossed was real, and the plants you brought with you are illegal"
Posted by Col Reb is my mascot
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:05 am to
From the DM this morning:

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The only “yea” vote was by the resolution’s author, ASB Senator and sophomore public policy and sociology double major Sean Higgins. “I drafted the resolution because I don’t think it’s appropriate as the flagship institution in the state of Mississippi to play Dixie at any university events,” Higgins said. “I think it’s offensive not only to minorities but to other people that are from the South. It was the anthem of the southern Confederacy, it was used in the Jim Crow era, it was used to justify segregation and it was used by segregationists. I just don’t think it sends a good message about our university.”


quote:

One main contributing reason for the majority “no” vote was because committee members felt that not enough student, administrative or alumni input had been garnered.


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“Right now is a very tumultuous time within the ASB structure system dealing with the fallout from the ‘Colonel Reb’ situation as well as the very unpopular smoking ban last year,” Taylor said. “As a result, I think it’s very important to compromise between an increasingly alienated student population and an ASB that wants certain things accomplished and an administration that wants certain things accomplished. At this present time, we don’t have enough input from either the constituents themselves or the administration to really form a compromise.”


quote:

Higgins says that he is not done pursuing the issue, but he is not considering taking the issue to the ASB Judicial Council. “I hope that the university administration will take the lead on this issue since the students seemed to have really dropped the ball,” he said. “I’m definitely going to look to other avenues to try to get this moving.”
Posted by UMRealist
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35360 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:07 am to
He should just go jump off a cliff
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:09 am to
I'm no confederate historian but I'm fairly certain a song wasn't used to justify segregation. Why must everything be so hyperbolic?
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:10 am to
That guys sounds like a raging doucher.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:11 am to
He's from South Dakota... Should of stayed there
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
46375 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:11 am to
He's probably ugly
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:13 am to
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Sean Higgins likes: Other
Barack Obama
Starbucks
Michelle Obama
Ray-Ban
Human Rights Campaign


From his Facebook page
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:14 am
Posted by Col Reb is my mascot
Member since Feb 2012
4165 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:16 am to
I think at this point someone should just write a petition to tear down the Lyceum. I mean it was used by Confederate troops and was the spot of the 62 integration riot...
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:18 am to
Good point
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