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re: Why was the Civil War fought?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:10 am to The Spleen
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:10 am to The Spleen
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Slavery wasn't THE cause of the Civil War, but it was part of the backbone of the cause.
I'm in this camp. Southerners are dumb to pretend it wasn't about slavery and northerners are dumb to think it was only about slavery.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:21 am to 3nOut
A.
Any other answer is just an attempt to whitewash the war & make it socially acceptable to celebrate the CSA.
Do you
Any other answer is just an attempt to whitewash the war & make it socially acceptable to celebrate the CSA.
Do you
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:35 am to Acadien
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Any other answer is just an attempt to whitewash the war & make it socially acceptable to celebrate the CSA.
Do you
are you asking if i celebrate the CSA?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:43 am to 3nOut
ETA: Do you. You do you. Do what you feel.
Saying it wasn't about slavery is an easy way to distinguish between rational people and...
Saying it wasn't about slavery is an easy way to distinguish between rational people and...
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:51 am to Acadien
i do not celebrate the CSA.
I think slavery was wrong and immoral and am glad it was outlawed and i've never owned anything related to the CSA.
i do think that, while just in cause, the fed overstepped a lot state's rights in the passing of some laws at that time and has continued to trample the 10th amendment ever since. to say southerners only revolted because slavery was made illegal is ignorant.
I think slavery was wrong and immoral and am glad it was outlawed and i've never owned anything related to the CSA.
i do think that, while just in cause, the fed overstepped a lot state's rights in the passing of some laws at that time and has continued to trample the 10th amendment ever since. to say southerners only revolted because slavery was made illegal is ignorant.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:21 am to KSGamecock
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A. Slavery
B. Tariffs/Economic Policies
C. States' Rights
D. Lincoln's Election
E. Other
F. Magma
Can't it be multiple things?
Not everything is so simple as "X caused Y," and history (particularly wars) is no different.
That said, Lincoln's election was seen as a threat to the institution of slavery, which was already under fire in the form of a handful of trade and economic polices (as well as it being essentially prevented from spreading westward as the country grew). Several states therefore left the union in order to preserve the institution of slavery within their borders, because they felt that it was only a matter of time before they didn't have enough control in Congress to preserve the institution.
This was seen as treasonous and led to a war.
Slavery was central to the outbreak of the Civil War. Anyone who disagrees with this is ignorant of history, willfully or otherwise.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:21 am to BrerTiger
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All of these, but mostly A.
I agree, but B had more to do with it than most believe.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:23 am to KSGamecock
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C. States' Rights
to maintain
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A. Slavery
B. Tariffs/Economic Policies
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:23 am to 3nOut
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to say southerners only revolted because slavery was made illegal is ignorant.
Not only ignorant, but impossible. Slavery wasn't made illegal until after the south had already seceded.
Doesn't mean slavery wasn't an important dividing issue though.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:23 am to Kritten
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A. still existed in the north
Where?
I'm pretty sure that, by 1821, no state north of the Mason-Dixon line or the Ohio River allowed slavery. Missouri was added as a slave state with Maine being added as a counterbalance in Congress (so to speak), while California was added as a free state in response to Texas being added as a slave state.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:24 am to The Spleen
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Well, slavery was already on the list. The southern states wanted states rights, and states rights to them meant maintaining slavery.
Exactly. When people say "state's rights," my response is always "and what right were those Confederate states trying to uphold?"
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:28 am to DCRebel
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I'm pretty sure that, by 1821, no state north of the Mason-Dixon line or the Ohio River allowed slavery.
Correct.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:33 am to the808bass
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I'm pretty sure that, by 1821, no state north of the Mason-Dixon line or the Ohio River allowed slavery.
Correct.
It is true that when the Constitution was signed several northern states still allowed slavery (NY and NJ, most notably), but that was abolished relatively quickly.
Maybe that's what people mean when they try to argue that slavery existed in the North?
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:43 am to KSGamecock
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E. Other
Wars are always fought about money. Usually you need an emotional touchstone to get the masses to fight. This war was no different.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:52 pm to Boca Tigre
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There was much more to the War Between the States than just slavery.
Yes there was, but the root cause remains the same. Read the secession speeches given in the various Southern states, see if you can find a central theme.
Alabama
"The day is now come, and Alabama must make her selection, either to secede from the Union, and assume the position of a sovereign, independent State, or she must submit to a system of policy on the part of the Federal Government that, in a short time, will compel her to abolish African Slavery."
Georgia
Virginia
Mississippi Declaration of Secession
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world"
Posted on 9/9/14 at 5:32 pm to KSGamecock
In his second inauguration, President Lincoln said it was slavery:
"One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war."
I think he was correct.
"One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war."
I think he was correct.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:41 pm to KSGamecock
Because that's what the globalist bankers wanted to happen.
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