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re: Why do people think that they can lie to insurance companies?

Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:49 pm to
No problem.
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:51 pm to
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Unless it's on an infant,


Why then? Don't they have to pay their entire life to keep it then?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:58 pm to
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Why then? Don't they have to pay their entire life to keep it then?





Yes, but the premiums are ridiculously low and never go up. Plus if they're in a pinch when they're older, they can cash it in.


Obviously, there are much better investments you can make for your kids, but that's a cheap and simple one.




ETA: I'm not a big fan of life insurance on children, but if you're going to do it, whole life is the way to go, ONLY in this instance. But honestly, it's unnecessary, and doing a little research, you can find much better places to put money for your kids.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:04 pm to
I will admit one thing I liked about whole life was we have trouble saving and in a way it became a FORCED savings account (like escrow on taxes or something). We lost money when we cashed it out but that money came when we needed it.

I wish there was some way to do that without the insurance part though.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:13 pm to
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I wish there was some way to do that without the insurance part though.



Yeah, it's called a money market account. You can set one up through your bank and just have some money from each check deposited automatically.


Since you don't have immediate access to it, like your checking or savings, you won't be tempted to spend it on a whim.


I have my 6 month emergency fund in a money market account. You need to have an emergency fund of 3-6 months of expenses before you do any long term investing.
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:19 pm to
Cool, I didn't know that either.

I owe you one, we were thinking of having kids soon so suddenly living hoodrich seems wrong.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:30 pm to
Lol. I highly recommend checking out some Dave Ramsey stuff. It's perfect for young couples trying to get their financial situation in order.


People will call Ramsey's investing advice boring (and I agree to an extent) but it's sound, common sense financial planning that works.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:40 pm to
I am not a smoker but I chew so technically I am not lying


Cheaper Rates FTMFW
Posted by crispyUGA
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:49 pm to
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MIB


Whoa. I know everyone always says that government and insurance companies are in bed, but I never knew they let y'all use the Men in Black to find shite out on people. That's hardcore.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:09 pm to
Galaxy Defenders ftmfw.

But seriously, the MIB is a private group, not a government organization. If it was government run, you could absolutely get away with lying to insurance companies.

If insurance companies relied on government information and actuarials, they'd be out of business in a month.
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:18 pm to
These MIB people scare me. How do they know all of this stuff?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:30 pm to
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These MIB people scare me. How do they know all of this stuff?



Every doctor you've ever seen since the day you were born has sent medical information to the MIB. When you sign a HIIPA release, you are granting the doctor/hospital permission to share your information with the MIB.

It was established in 1902 to prevent insurance fraud, specifically life insurance.


Life insurance fraud was unbelievably rampant in the late 1800s.


Insurance companies have to pay a lot of money to keep this thing running, and believe it or not, it actually helps LOWER the costs of life and health insurance.
This post was edited on 10/21/16 at 7:28 am
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:42 pm to
Just do your job and stop complaining.. Not like your a doctor that's actually worrying about his health. You're just an a-hole trying to cash in on it and him smoking curbs the odds..
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:46 pm to
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He'd likely never be prosecuted, but the company would not pay his claim so the only person he'd be fricking is himself and his family.



Really on the agents to do a better job of explaining this to people. If you get lung cancer, you better believe life insurance companies will investigate cause of cancer
Posted by Volatile
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:22 pm to
He is doing his job, jackass.

Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:24 pm to
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Just do your job and stop complaining.. Not like your a doctor that's actually worrying about his health. You're just an a-hole trying to cash in on it and him smoking curbs the odds..



Be more subtle. You're losing your touch Hardy.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:28 pm to
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I've been selling life insurance and financial products for almost 14 years now. I have my own private brokerage. I receive residuals from over $6 Million in annual life premiums from individual client plans alone, throw in group premiums (residuals for those suck btw) and it's almost $30 Million. And I am still amazed at how many people are willing to blatantly lie to an insurance company.


Well, now we know why you buttchugg wine!

Q : Have you had a drink in the past week
A : No
*nudge nudge wink wink* I just shoved a box of cheap wine up my arse tho!


If you are selling life insurance, why do you waste so much time here? Have you just lied about your work habits?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:31 pm to
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Really on the agents to do a better job of explaining this to people. If you get lung cancer, you better believe life insurance companies will investigate cause of cancer





It's absolutely on the agents as much as it is the customer. The agent has a responsibility to the customer and the company he represents to be honest and thorough.

Now, if I hadn't seen him smoking the cigarette, and he had told me he didn't smoke, I still have to give him a conditional binding receipt which clearly states the legal disclaimer regarding fraud and pre-existing conditions.

If he chooses to ignore it, that's on him.
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:33 pm to
I even misspelled "you're" and you didn't bite..

I'll leave
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:35 pm to
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If you are selling life insurance, why do you waste so much time here?



99% of my posts are from the phone. How much time do you think I actually have to devote to selling life insurance at this point in my career? The vast majority of my income is from residuals, I still have to travel and see clients, but I don't have to break my back like I used to when I was building my business.
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