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re: White Kroger employee beaten by black mob determined not to be a hate crime.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:39 am to the808bass
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:39 am to the808bass
Honestly, I'm not sure. As far as I've read there haven't even been any allegations, much less evidence, that this is a hate crime other than the race of the victims. And by this I mean there have been no allegations that the mob was shouting to attack a particular victim because of their race or any other overt actions like that.
We know that the first victim the mob seemed to have targeted was a white guy. What we don't know is if they skipped over anybody else on their way to him. Did they pass up attacking a potential black victim looking for white victims only? Did they attack this guy because he stopped to film them, thinking they were an innocent flash mob? We don't know why he was "picked."
All we do know is that it was a group largely (possibly exclusively) composed of blacks, who attacked and injured three people, at least one of whom was also black. Based upon this fact, I don't think there is any way to conclusively say that the attacks had racial elements.
It's certainly possible that the initial attack did contain racial elements, and I'm not ruling out revisiting the possibility that this was a "hate crime." However, based upon what we know right now, I don't see it.
We know that the first victim the mob seemed to have targeted was a white guy. What we don't know is if they skipped over anybody else on their way to him. Did they pass up attacking a potential black victim looking for white victims only? Did they attack this guy because he stopped to film them, thinking they were an innocent flash mob? We don't know why he was "picked."
All we do know is that it was a group largely (possibly exclusively) composed of blacks, who attacked and injured three people, at least one of whom was also black. Based upon this fact, I don't think there is any way to conclusively say that the attacks had racial elements.
It's certainly possible that the initial attack did contain racial elements, and I'm not ruling out revisiting the possibility that this was a "hate crime." However, based upon what we know right now, I don't see it.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:08 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Of course it wasn't. Holder said so. But did you see what happened in Furguson?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:14 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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EDIT: Three people were assaulted, all white.
You are so fricking stupid.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:02 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Im wondering when Obama will send Eric Holder to specifically deal with the Kroger beating in Memphis.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:23 am to mre
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The other Kroger employee appears to be the white guy who is the one seeing being assaulted and kicked while he's down in the first part of the video
You mean the absolutely 100% proven employee who was actually caught on film being knocked out?
He's the one that "appears" to be the white guy being assaulted?
quote:-- and that's according to the police.
“We acknowledge that the majority of the suspects, a majority of the juveniles involved in this were African-American, but you have to also understand there was an African-American victim in this as well,”
Like I said: There were two people knocked out both were white. They're also citing another African American woman who wasn't injured but is being called a victim I guess because she felt threatened?
Victim #1: Knocked unconscious in the video.
Victim #2: Knocked unconscious out of the video.
Victim #3: Person who was trying to record the flash mob who didn't realize it was actually trying to knock people out. You can see him in the video running toward the store. You can see him at :19 - 24 seconds in the video.
^^^^^ All three of these guys who actually got beaten are white.
Victim #4: Seen being dragged away by security to stop the scuffle, no idea if he actually got hit but only three were actually treated by paramedics. That guy was clearly not knocked out.
"Victim" #5: In the parking lot where the teens beat up on her car but she sustained no injuries.
I've seen this movie before. Some of the victims were black, some of the mob were white, and no evidence to suggest it.
It just happened in Ferguson. "Oh yeah White Anarchists are the ones causing problems......" None of them turn up on film.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It just happened in Ferguson. "Oh yeah White Anarchists are the ones causing problems......" None of them turn up on film.
Sure they did. Not only do we know they were white dudes, we know which white dudes they were. And once those dudes were arrested, the demonstrations calmed down considerably. Obviously, correlation isn't causation. But it's something.
To be clear, it wasn't whites looting. But there were more than a few white agitators in the crowd.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
But were any crab legs stolen?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There were only two people shown being assaulted in that video. One white and one black, both of whom appear to be employees of Kroger.
You have some weird hard-on for distorting the facts of this case to fit your agenda-driven narrative.
You have some weird hard-on for distorting the facts of this case to fit your agenda-driven narrative.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:47 pm to mre
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You have some weird hard-on for distorting the facts of this case to fit your agenda-driven narrative.
He totally does.
He only believes the evidence when it helps his cause.
As one example,
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They don't need to explain anything if the cop's got a fractured orbital and forensic evidence. I know you desperately want the police to be wrong in this situation but there is absolutely nothing that will come to light to prove it outside of video evidence.
Straws had several posts talking about hard "evidence" of the cops eye being broken when none existed.
He does the same shite sleeping tiger does.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:12 pm to mre
So white people being attacked by a black mob of kids while BLACK PEOPLE STAND AROUND and DO NOT GET TOUCHED! And you are dumb enough to think it wasn't racially motivated?
Why weren't the blacks scared? Why were the kids running around them without touching them?
You dumb AND you're racists for never admitting blacks can be racists.
Why weren't the blacks scared? Why were the kids running around them without touching them?
You dumb AND you're racists for never admitting blacks can be racists.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
In fairness, an eyewitness said they weren't all white.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There are now 4 identified victims, 2 white, 2 black. Eleven people have been arrested so far, so it's not like authorities are letting the tPOS get away with it.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:10 pm to GeeOH
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You dumb AND you're racists for never admitting blacks can be racists.
What?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:31 pm to mre
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There were only two people shown being assaulted in that video. One white and one black, both of whom appear to be employees of Kroger.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a04_1410210273
At the 20 second mark there is a man who is white running through the crowd.
He is clearly getting hit.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:32 pm to Slippery Slope
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He totally does.
Man you ride my dick harder than any other poster on this site. Usually just the sucker punch type, though.
I believe the phrase is "get off my nuts".
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Aren't all crimes "hate crimes?"
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:36 pm to UMTigerRebel
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There are now 4 identified victims, 2 white, 2 black. Eleven people have been arrested so far, so it's not like authorities are letting the tPOS get away with it.
The anonymous eye witness said it was 2 to 1, 2 blacks, 1 white.
The police said it was 1 african american and identified her as the driver whose car was vandalized while she tried to get away.
The one knocked out is clearly white, and the shopper who was trying to tape them can be seen in the video I posted at the 20 mark is also clearly white.
The other who was not rendered unconscious was not white, and is seen in the video.
So there's a total of 5 victims potentially -- the ones severely beaten were white.
The ones who were trying to stop it and ended up getting attacked were black.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:38 pm to Landmass
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Aren't all crimes "hate crimes?"
Only when the perpetrators are white.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 5:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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and the shopper who was trying to tape them can be seen in the video I posted at the 20 mark is also clearly white.
You're right, and I thank you for pointing him out. In my previous viewings of that video I thought the person initially being chased was the white male employee who was beaten unconscious. That video at the 20 second mark does show a white guy getting chased into the store. I think you're also right that this is the guy who thought he was talking a flash mob and got chased into the store.
I'm not sure where you came up with 5 victims. I count 4:
1. One white male chased into the store who was uninjured: (this is the guy you identified in the video)
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(Victim, Not Identified) “I had run clear in through the door. I was at the fruit aisle. And I turned back to see if they were still following me. So immediately I pulled out my phone and called 911. “
Thankfully, he was not injured but when he watched the video on Facebook he was extremely frustrated.
2. One white male employee beaten into unconsciousness. This man is plainly seen in the video at the entrance to the store.
3. One black male employee also apparently knocked unconscious:
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Two employees, ages 17 and 18, were attacked while trying to stop the fight. Both were "struck several times in the head and face while being knocked to the ground". The victims say large pumpkins were thrown at their heads. They both were eventually knocked unconscious.
This article doesn't reference the race of either of the two attacked teens, but:
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News Channel 3 slowed down the video and noticed the security guard is dragging a black teen away from the crowd.
The witness identified that teen as another Kroger employee knocked unconscious after he tried to stop the mob from attacking customers.
This is the guy seen at the ~56s mark of the video of the attack.
4. One black woman who seems to have escaped bodily injury when she drove away.
There's a list of 4 victims to the mob attack. Two of whom escaped without injury (one white, one black). Two of whom were beaten into unconsciousness (one white, one black).
There are your facts. That's what you have to work with here.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 5:16 pm to mre
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News Channel 3 slowed down the video and noticed the security guard is dragging a black teen away from the crowd.
The witness identified that teen as another Kroger employee knocked unconscious after he tried to stop the mob from attacking customers.
I mentioned this before but didn't think he was the fourth victim and assumed there was a third Kroger employee.
I didn't think the black employee was rendered unconscious (simply by the way he was being dragged away by the security guard) and made an erroneous assumption.
I was definitely wrong about this, and apologize for how I behaved toward you.
This is probably not a hate crime.
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