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Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:31 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:31 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Straws is going about his argument as if I'm arguing that our presence has increased terrorism in the region
Do you think it hasn't?
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but what I'm arguing is that we're there for economic reasons
And I agree.
But the two things aren't disconnected.
I'm ignoring the rest.
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:35 pm to Mizzeaux
At this point I have to assume you're messing with me, if you can fly a plane you should be able to figure this conversation out.
Obviously.
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But the two things aren't disconnected.
Obviously.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:37 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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At this point I have to assume you're messing with me, if you can fly a plane you should be able to figure this conversation out.
I'm really not, but I've had a few beverages, so I may be just biased against whatever argument you have based on previous experiences.
I apologize for that, and I assure you the sober version of me is doing a better job at that than I am right now.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:49 pm to Mizzeaux
It's probably just me being difficult to understand.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:56 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Everyone's a genius when they argue points with the benefit of hindsight.
The whole "follow the money", the military industrial complex is profiting from our wars, the men and women in the military aren't heroes bit, tell me brainiac, what would you have done in response to 9-11?
"We aren't going to respond because that would play into the hands of the corporate giants who stand to profit"? Oh wait, they were behind the attacks. I forgot.
The whole "follow the money", the military industrial complex is profiting from our wars, the men and women in the military aren't heroes bit, tell me brainiac, what would you have done in response to 9-11?
"We aren't going to respond because that would play into the hands of the corporate giants who stand to profit"? Oh wait, they were behind the attacks. I forgot.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:03 pm to Charlestondawg
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The whole "follow the money", the military industrial complex is profiting from our wars, the men and women in the military aren't heroes bit, tell me brainiac, what would you have done in response to 9-11?
I'll say this. As a 19 year old kid washing cars on a dealership lot I was nervous as frick about getting drafted when that shite happened. It was devastating to the country and I thought it was another Pearl Harbor.
I was ashamed to admit I wasn't excited/eager about having to go defend our country against it at the time, but I think that's my generation and that generation was developed by parents that were raised during Vietnam.
I was holding myself to the standard of my grandparents that fought a world war that really meant something.
That didn't happen, but at the time a lot of us were torn between the whole fighting for our country and the whole bullshite war thing.
I almost joined the Marines to be a pilot in 2002 and my old man (A Bronze Star Awarded Vietnam Vet) told me he'd have been pissed if I joined. He said he fought my bullshite war for me. I thought he was just an battered vet at the time, but I'm glad he stopped me.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:16 pm to cas4t
Well, to be fair, for most of that time span the Congressman would have been exposed to compulsory service/the draft/major wars for most of their young years. We haven't had something like that since 'nam.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:17 pm to Charlestondawg
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Everyone's a genius when they argue points with the benefit of hindsight.
There is no hindsight involved in what I said.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:41 am to Sleeping Tiger
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This shouldn't be so hard.
It shouldn't be when three people in a row, those who agree with you and those who don't, tell you that there is no fricking disconnect.
It was on topic and you need to get over it.
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It's probably just me being difficult to understand.
It's probably just you not wanting to backtrack from a phrase said in haste -- it being that there was -zero- reason/motive for fighting terrorism in the Middle East.
All you had to do is say: "Nah man, I don't buy that the government wanted to divert action to another part of the world." -- that's it, and we could have talked about that point which was one of the major parts of my debating the necessity of war.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:28 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Nah, you're just too dumb and uneducated to understand his brilliance. Don't feel bad, we all are too stupid.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:43 am to Duke
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Nah, you're just too dumb and uneducated to understand his brilliance. Don't feel bad, we all are too stupid.
It was just like...drowning, drowning in the wake of someone more intelligent than I. I have no idea how I'll recover from this.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:Not seeing how this is a relevant analogy. I could just as easily ask how Alabama has fared with a defensive-minded coach trying to impose his will and style on their offense. There are plenty of defensive-minded coaches out there who aren't completely incompetent offensively.
What's it been like for the Gators with a defensive player, coordinator and minded-coach trying to impose his will and style on offense?
Likewise, just because you haven't served in the military doesn't mean you can't successfully lead it as CiC. And just because you have served in the military doesn't mean you'll successfully lead it as CiC. So I'll ask the question again, since you dodged it the first time: do you think our country would be in a better position with Kerry and McCain as our last two presidents rather than Bush and Obama?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:34 pm to GatorsGators
maybe
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
In one last effort to try and get you to see why your responses have made no sense in regards to what I said I'll repost what may have been missed at the bottom of the previous page. If you didn't miss it then your post on this page is as off base as the rest of your posts in this thread.
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Straws is going about his argument as if I'm arguing that our presence has increased terrorism in the region, but what I'm arguing is that we're there for economic reasons. The counter argument to that would be that we're there to fight terrorism, not whether or not our presence has had a negative or positive impact on the region.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:53 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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In one last effort to try and get you to see why your responses have made no sense in regards to what I said I'll repost what may have been missed at the bottom of the previous page. If you didn't miss it then your post on this page is as off base as the rest of your posts in this thread.
If one person calls you an arse, you can shrug it off.
If two people call you an arse, you should buy a saddle.
If by the fourth person disagreeing with you, you still haven't purchased a saddle you may have a cognitive bias. (As in you do have one, not a may in this case.)
Furthermore: I was having a conversation with someone else when you made the -truth claim- that
Our involvement in the Middle East had nothing (zero) to do with terrorism.
I was simply giving you an alternative reason (which you can choose to believe or not) as to why we were in the Middle East.
I don't know if you got the memo: But people have a right to debunk a stupid argument whether you like it or not.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You're still confused, this has shifted to amusing.
No, you didn't. An alternative reason to being there for economics would be terrorism. A debate would then unfold to determine whether or not our primary reason for going to the Middle East was economic or to fight terrorism.
You, for whatever reason, countered totally incorrectly.
For the sake of making a point, we'll assume that it's true that our presence has reduced the terror threat.
Here's a reenactment of our discussion:
Me - Economic reasons are why we're in the Middle East.
You - Our presence has reduced the terror threat.
Do you see why that response is off base?
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I was simply giving you an alternative reason
No, you didn't. An alternative reason to being there for economics would be terrorism. A debate would then unfold to determine whether or not our primary reason for going to the Middle East was economic or to fight terrorism.
You, for whatever reason, countered totally incorrectly.
For the sake of making a point, we'll assume that it's true that our presence has reduced the terror threat.
Here's a reenactment of our discussion:
Me - Economic reasons are why we're in the Middle East.
You - Our presence has reduced the terror threat.
Do you see why that response is off base?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:00 pm to GatorsGators
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So I'll ask the question again, since you dodged it the first time: do you think our country would be in a better position with Kerry and McCain as our last two presidents rather than Bush and Obama?
Is an impossible question to answer -- which is a legitimate reason to avoid the question. It may have been just the same, it may have been just the same. I do think McCain would have handled Iran differently, but I also feel like he would handle the NSA the same.
Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable.
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Not seeing how this is a relevant analogy. I could just as easily ask how Alabama has fared with a defensive-minded coach trying to impose his will and style on their offense. There are plenty of defensive-minded coaches out there who aren't completely incompetent offensively.
There's a difference though -- Saban had a lot of head coach experience beforehand in dealing with offense and defense.
...Experience is important.
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Likewise, just because you haven't served in the military doesn't mean you can't successfully lead it as CiC.
Didn't say that at all.
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And just because you have served in the military doesn't mean you'll successfully lead it as CiC.
Didn't say that either.
I said they should serve in the military because it shows that they're willing to die for their country -- that sacrifice shows that they won't just readily let America get fricked over.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:08 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Me - Economic reasons are why we're in the Middle East.
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Economic reasons are the only reason why we're in the Middle East.
To which I gave you a reason why it's not the only reason. It may have been speculation but it was a perfectly lucid argument.
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Here's a reenactment of our discussion:
Me - Economic reasons are why we're in the Middle East.
You - Our presence has reduced the terror threat.
Do you see why that response is off base?
Here, let me give you a bit of a more unbiased reenactment.
You: It's the only reason we're there.
Me: Using inference, that's incorrect because of x.
You: That's irrelevant.
Spectator that disagrees with you: No it's not.
Spectator that agrees with you: No it's not.
Other Spectator that agrees with you: No it's not.
The person you're arguing with: No it's not.
This isn't a matter of appealing to numbers, but at some point you have to, perhaps, concede, that you might be wrong.
I know, I know. It's hard for you to imagine, but I really want you to think about it.
There's an old adage: If one person calls you an arse, you can probably ignore it.
If two people call you an arse? You might need to buy a saddle.
After the third person, I think it's time to saddle up.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:19 pm to cas4t
I propose that we get rid of congress and let S&P500 companies vote on laws. The number of votes you get is proportional to your market share.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:24 pm to roadhouse
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The number of votes you get is proportional to your market share.
You might want to move the City of London with their guild system and insane political system older than the official Kingdom of England.
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