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re: Thing about our country that angers me the most right now

Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:32 pm to
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I'm still annoyed that another mass shooting has happened without us having a very real, valid, conversation about mental health care in this country.


Well, let's talk about it. Instead of just saying we need to talk about it.
Posted by Tantal
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:34 pm to
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Texas is a very heavily subsidized state, no?



No, we're not.


In fact, we're the only red state that sends the federal government more than we get back......you freeloading clowns (sneers at Mississippi).
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:50 pm to
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Texas is a very heavily subsidized state, no?


They're middle of the pack.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:53 pm to
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Well, let's talk about it. Instead of just saying we need to talk about it.



We have been.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:56 pm to
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I'm pretty uninterested in American affairs (we got enough problems here in Texas to worry about what foreigners are doing with their marriage laws) but here in Texas we don't really care about the marriage law stuff. Less government is best government, we say around here.

is that why small gov texas has an issue with cops taking out kids trying to sell things?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:58 pm to
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Texas is a very heavily subsidized state, no?

I always thought this was a bad argument when someone says a state can't make it alone. The freeloaders would either pull their weight or migrate out of state.
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:58 pm to
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Sorry we have a lot of land, cheap cost of living, good talent, and a good economy to invest in?


Oh, no reason to be sorry. I meant nothing by it, just curious since the other poster mentioned that Texans don't like big govt.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:11 pm to
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Im glad this gay marriage thing passed just to get it off the fricking television. Lets get on with it and figure out how to solve the 18 trillion in debt we have that fricks us ALL.


People being aware of the currency creation scam that causes debt might be a good starting point.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:25 pm to
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People being aware of the currency creation scam that causes debt might be a good starting point.





Many people are aware of it. But lemme ask you this, do you think, given how stupid the average American is, that if you explained the currency creation scam, they would be able to understand it?


And, on the remote chance they do understand it, would they be able to accept the truth and be willing to do something about it?
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:42 pm to
Do you think a lot of people are aware of it? Idk. I've thought most aren't.

I think if you asked college educated people if the FED was a government entity, most would say yes -- I think that's a good litmus test on the topic.

On one hand it's so simple -- we allow private corporations to loan us our currency instead of using the treasury which would be interest free.

But explaining fractional reserve banking and how that ponzi scam works can be difficult.

I don't think anything is accepted by the mainstream unless it's breaks the rhythm of normal news and becomes a 'big story'. Normal people only listen to normal people, it has to come from all the mainstream news outlets, and it can't be in the normal rhythm of daily news, it has to be a shouting story, which is never going to happen.

I don't think this is ever going to sweep through mainstream. And if it did, I don't think anything happens unless a lot of people start losing everything.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 6:43 pm
Posted by Lordofwrath88
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:16 pm to




Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:56 am to
Preach
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:15 am to
I don't see anything on the trade agreement on CNN mobile.

The media doesn't focus on this enough because they prefer more sensational topics
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:45 am to
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It's not about whether I agree or disagree with gay marriage or the confederate flag, the problem is everyone is all about paying attention and being informed about these issues when at the end of the day they are mostly symbolic and have little impact on the overall success and productivity of this country


Confederate flag nonsense is excessive...but the gay marriage is a pretty big deal. It will be seen as a big moment in our countries history IMO.

As for the trade deals...No one really knows what is in them...and anyone who says they do is likely lying. Also, they were voting for fast track, which basically gives the President the authority to make deals. A majority of all trade deals have done this...so it isn't anything new.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:47 am to
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Even Jon Stewart, who I don't agree with on a ton politically but who I respect and watch often, just basically said the whole thing was about race


Some of it was about race, and I agree the flag shouldn't be flown at a state of government agency.

However, I think one of the underlying problems is that people from the North, like Stewart, are always trying to pass judgement on people on the South.
The truth is most people in the North don't even live around hardly any black people.
It is the south blacks and whites coexist. So southerners get a little riled up when people from up North try to pass judgement on something they have little to no knowledge of.

It's always the attitude of "oh well they're just some dumb rednecks down there who just don't know any better".

Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:50 am to
I really don't get this line of thinking. Sure the focus on these two issues has overshadowed the TPP deal, but can you blame people? The trade deal is staggeringly boring when you get into the minutiae of it, these other 2 issues are not.

Further, are we just supposed to accept the status quo on some issues because they may not impact a majority of Americans, or some just deem them symbolic, or because some don't think it will help this country? I could argue ways both removing the Confederate flag from government buildings and gay marriage will help America.
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:48 am to
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The trade deal is staggeringly boring when you get into the minutiae of it, these other 2 issues are not.


Yeah, but a trade deal is far more important in the 21st century economy. A skeptical and thoughtful examination of the proposal is necessary and important. SE Asia represents the bulk of world population and a driver of future global growth. Getting the agreement wrong can and will have drastic consequences.

Of course the proposal isn't ready to be read yet, so we instead had a week focused on the rapid changes occuring in society. The message here is that the world is rapidly changing, and we would be wise to look forward and embrace the change.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:49 am
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:01 am to
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Someone give me an argument against gay marriage without bringing up religion or personal beliefs.


Marriage is a religious thing though, just because our government adopted it doesn't make that untrue. Honestly that's my only hold up, and I don't think the government should recognize marriage at all, or they should just treat it as a contract. That is the real solution, allow everyone to be contractually joined as a couple as far as the government is concerned. Then if Christians, or whoever else, want to be "married" in a church, mosque, etc... Let them do it and their religious organization recognize it as such.


This is the biggest reason that I have never understood why civil unions weren't good enough. The government should have decided to only recognize civil unions, actually.


The issue is silly for both sides. Honestly, I don't see gay marriage as any more an insult to marriage than common law. I am a Christian and view my marriage as something holy, but the government deeming me as married is nothing to do with that. I don't really understand why everyone is so hung up on the issue.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 10:04 am
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:11 am to
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This is the biggest reason that I have never understood why civil unions weren't good enough


That's a question for the social conservatives in the 90's that shot that idea down on the same grounds as they're fighting the gay marriage issue today.
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:13 am to
It's amusing that changing what we call a marriage in the eyes of the government would have made this issue go away.

Gays have been fighting for acceptance. The gay marriage issue is a reflection of that struggle. Calling it a "civil union" does nothing to change that dynamic.
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