re: The real Rebel yell by real Rebels

If you agree that slavery was the prevailing issue over which the conflict arose, then, yes, we are

It's why the South seceded and why we ended up going to war.

I think it was a little more personal for men like Quantrill. Raids were happening in Missouri before Ft. Sumpter was fired on so being on the treasonous side was kind of forced on them.

I need to correct that statement so hang on before you get to happy with me.

I think its this;

Slavery was a Southern state right that caused the South to secede which in turn caused Abe to go to war to save the union.

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Alabama: quote:the triumph of this new [Lincoln-advanced] theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and. her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans

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Figured I'd lighten the mood a bit.

I said it out loud in my best Flavor Flav voice too.

The South was scared Lincoln would change the status quo with regard to the institution. They didn't know when or how, but they weren't interested in sticking around to find out. Hence, their attempt to break from the union over their supposed divine right to own black slaves.

Abe could have let them walk once they fired on Sumpter. He didn't, instead he chose to go to war to preserve the union.

With that, I think we have talked ourselves in a complete circle.

It's not my 'reasoning", it's Abe's "reasoning" you dipstick.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union:;

Now you're splitting hairs. The "people" who fired on a military installation were lead by General P.G.T. Beauregard who was in command of Confederate forces around Charleston Harbor. That isn't people, that's an Army.

More than one leader has thrown in the towel when the 1st shots were fired. Abe could have chosen that path.

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The "people" who fired on a military installation were lead by General P.G.T. Beauregard who was in command of Confederate forces around Charleston Harbor. That isn't people, that's an Army.

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Speaking of splitting hairs. Jesus

What, pray tell, is an army comprised of? Oh, yeah, that's right, people.

This army, by its very existence, was in direct defiance of the established Union.

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More than one leader has thrown in the towel when the 1st shots were fired. Abe could have chosen that path.

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What a preposterous assertion by you. Wow

"Yeah, if meddlin'-arse Lincoln hadn't gotten himself elected and just looked the other way when we fired on a military post, things would have been just fine."


Idiotic. Extremely idiotic.

The South fired the first shots, and here you are blaming the war on Lincoln and "state's rights." I swear, this is some next-level mental gymnastics

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There is a major difference between a standing army and "people". You must be rustled...

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Try "amazed," instead of "rustled." You accuse me of splitting hairs when you're sitting here basing arguments on the "difference" between the terms "army" and "people."

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Be gone fool. Have fun in your little box of narrow mindedness.

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How does my disagreeing with you make me "narrow minded," specifically?

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If you won't acknowledge Lincoln's own words I don't know what to tell you.

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I literally just acknowledged them in my previous post. Of course he wanted to save the Union. Any sitting president would have wanted the same. I also haven't hailed him as some great emancipator.

It's like you're arguing canned points without actually reading what I've been typing this whole time. You're arguing with someone else entirely.

Also, it's quite telling how you don't acknowledge that the South's main reason for going to war (and, make no mistake, the South was the one to start this war militarily) was their fear over losing the ability to own slaves.