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The Myth of a Stagnant Middle Class

Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:25 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:25 pm
Money is an extremely important, obviously necessary component of any economy (barter is inefficient and costly), but the debate over "the middle class" reveals why money can be such a misleading measurement. Money in and of itself isn't worth anything. It exists because goods and services exist. The only reason we HAVE money is to make it easier for such goods to be traded, as money is the placeholder value so that a buyer and seller do not need EXACTLY what each other wants in terms of such goods.

So, when you look only at people's incomes and wage rates, without looking at purchasing power and availability of real, tangible consumer items, it will be literally impossible to make a judgement about the economic security and state of those people.

Case in point: The news today is dominated by cries and shrieks that the middle class is declining, people are getting poorer, and we are all on the way to peasantry, poverty, and pittance once more.

NOT SO. The actual data that matters, which is access to goods ans services and ability to consume, is ever increasing.

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No single measure of well-being is more informative or important than life expectancy. Happily, an American born today can expect to live approximately 79 years—a full five years longer than in 1980 and more than a decade longer than in 1950. These longer life spans aren't just enjoyed by "privileged" Americans. As the New York Times reported this past June 7, "The gap in life expectancy between whites and blacks in America has narrowed, reaching the lowest point ever recorded." This necessarily means that life expectancy for blacks has risen even more impressively than it has for whites.

Americans are also much better able to enjoy their longer lives. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, spending by households on many of modern life's "basics"—food at home, automobiles, clothing and footwear, household furnishings and equipment, and housing and utilities—fell from 53% of disposable income in 1950 to 44% in 1970 to 32% today.


One underappreciated result of the dramatic fall in the cost (and rise in the quality) of modern "basics" is that, while income inequality might be rising when measured in dollars, it is falling when reckoned in what's most important—our ability to consume.

There has never been a time in world history when the social classes have been more equal than they are now. Rich people and poor people go the the same movie theaters, they have the same phones, the same laptops, both have access to cheap books on amazon, and even groceries.

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Even though the inflation-adjusted hourly wage hasn't changed much in 50 years, it is unlikely that an average American would trade his wages and benefits in 2013—along with access to the most affordable food, appliances, clothing and cars in history, plus today's cornucopia of modern electronic goods—for the same real wages but with much lower fringe benefits in the 1950s or 1970s, along with those era's higher prices, more limited selection, and inferior products.


TL/DR: WHEN MEASURING ECONOMIC WELL-BEING IN REAL VARIABLES (SUCH AS CONSUMER GOODS) AND NOT MONETARY VARIABLES, THE MIDDLE CLASS IS BETTER OFF THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN.

Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:31 pm to
This would probably go better on the Poli Board.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:37 pm to
The middle class is shrinking at an alarming rate in America. Facts are facts.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:41 pm to
That's simply not true.
Posted by Stir of Echoes
SD, LA, OC, and the Inland Empire.
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:47 pm to
Sure, if all you care about is buying "stuff", then yes, the middle class has never had it better. Society in general has never had it better.

However, the real issue is how far does your dollar go?

How many middle class folks live paycheck to paycheck?

How many middle class folks will have to work until the day they die?

I would suspect that the average debt for a middle class family is well above the the level of average debt for past middle class generations.

Having stuff isn't what creates a strong middle class.

The ability to provide for the well being of your children, including their educational needs, so they can further the society and economy in the future, as well as ensuring your personal future is what makes a strong middle class.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 5:53 pm
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:48 pm to
You are shockingly stupid.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:49 pm to
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Money in and of itself isn't worth anything.


Since money is created as debt, it's actually a negative, in and of itself.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 5:56 pm to
That's actually a real nice post that brings up good points. The growing cost of education, in my opinion, is an issue independent of middle class debate though.
Posted by Stir of Echoes
SD, LA, OC, and the Inland Empire.
Member since Feb 2015
1052 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:12 pm to
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The growing cost of education, in my opinion, is an issue independent of middle class debate though.


I disagree.

I think it is one of the biggest issues for this middle class generation.

The growing cost has made it difficult for a family to afford, resulting in the use of student loans. Which results in rediculous amounts of debt the moment you get that diploma in your hand.

A diploma which will probably land you a job that pays on a level equal, (given inflation), to a job you could have gotten out of HS 40 years ago.

The only real difference is, you're already behind the eight ball compared to past generations because of your SL debt.

40 years ago, you got a job, got married, bought a house, had kids, and went on your way.

That paradigm has completely shifted. Fewer folks from this generation are following that formula, because of their debt levels.

So, in essence the socio-economic standing of this generation is completely different than it was even for my generation entering the work force 15-20 years ago.

I'm not saying it's never going to work out, I can't fortell the future, but stepping into adulthood saddled with debt for a piece of paper that may or may not land you a job is a real bummer.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:14 pm to
I agree that the growing cost of education is hurting the middle class (that is undeniable), but I think the cause of that is cruddy government policy, rather than middle class decline itself
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 6:16 pm
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:20 pm to
So you are saying that because I have access to a yacht, I am richer than ever before, even though I lack the money to buy it? What the frick am I reading?
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:21 pm to
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I agree that the growing cost of education is hurting the middle class (that is undeniable), but I think the cause of that is cruddy government policy.



Perhaps. The availability of large levels of credit for college aged kids to use for an education is ridiculous. In many cases you can get an 80,000 student loan way before you could get a mortgage on an 80,000 condo, and the condo would be secured with collateral.

To make it even worse, you can't claim bankruptcy on your student loans if the stuff really hits the fan. It's insane. It's government supported and sponsored indentured service.

Student loans should be significantly more difficult to get based on the pure economics of the situation. However, since that would put children out to pasture when it comes to higher education based solely upon the decisions of their parents, it will never happen.

Either require work from the students for free education and set up a real indentured service situation or get government out of the situation. This is a business transaction, and as soon as businesses start losing their asses on student loans for Trevor to get his degree in Poetry History and going bankrupt in four years they'll stop making the money so available and the cost of higher ed will go down solely on demand.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:21 pm to
quote:


I agree that the growing cost of education is hurting the middle class (that is undeniable), but I think the cause of that is cruddy government policy, rather than middle class decline itself


No.

Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:23 pm to
I think it was Mark Cuban who recently (within the last few months) made a statement about the student loan bubble popping.

He said the same thing you did.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:25 pm to
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Either require work from the students for free education and set up a real indentured service situation or get government out of the situation


The price needs to come down.

There is so much about the entire game that causes it to cost too much.

It's so similar to health care.

The entire thing needs to be rebooted.
Posted by WhitewaterDawg
Tennessee
Member since Aug 2011
7233 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:26 pm to
So rude. Makes you an a-hole no matter how right you may be.

You come off as a know it all college student.
Posted by Stir of Echoes
SD, LA, OC, and the Inland Empire.
Member since Feb 2015
1052 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:26 pm to
Middle class decline has nothing to do with the rising cost of education.

I'm interested to hear what policies are causing the costs to rise.

I would guess subsidies?

I think the costs have risen because of the perceived myth that college is a necessity. Everybody must go to college. If you don't go to college you'll have a shite life, etc.

The world needs plumbers and the like, and believe it or not those mofos get paid.

College isn't a necessity. It's a myth, and banks and universities are making a mint on that myth.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:34 pm to
Actually, I would say a college degree is necessary. We are a service economy now.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:36 pm to
Very low standards for admittance allows anyone to go to a 4 year university.

The competition to have an aesthetically appealing campus is huge -- the money pumped into athletic complexes, student buildings, hotel-like dorms, down to the landscaping is insane and a big factor in rising cost. It's all backed by federal loans, essentially subsidizing these contractors.

There's probably a lot to the rising cost, but the infrastructure on campuses has to be one of them.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 6:37 pm to
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HailHailtoMichigan!


You're like water -- no matter how shut out you might be, you find a crack to slip through in the form of a post that doesn't recognize you may be wrong.
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