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re: The gayest city in the world - this is a microcosm of what is to come ...

Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:11 pm to
Well, they actually do. While their sexual orientation is developed during their formative years from 8-12, their sense of gender identification comes into focus much earlier.

Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:29 pm to
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While their sexual orientation is developed during their formative years from 8-12, their sense of gender identification comes into focus much earlier.


That's a great claim.

Now prove it.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37716 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:45 pm to
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Well, they actually do. While their sexual orientation is developed during their formative years from 8-12, their sense of gender identification comes into focus much earlier.


Ummmmmmm ..... link?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108946 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:53 pm to
You know I was ambidextrous when I was in kindergarten and could write with both hands. My teacher and mother agreed I shouldn't do that and forced me to choose a hand and never write with the other again. I chose the right hand, but I think I made the wrong choice. I do most things better with my left hand than my right and I think it has fricked up my coordination a bit.

Now if I make the wrong choice about what hand to write with, how the hell is a kid supposed to make a concrete choice about their gender at that age to irreversible consequences if they choose wrong? That's fricking ridiculous, and the people who are for this should be tarred and feathered, as well as having their licenses to teach revoked.
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
9999 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:02 pm to
One of the few reasons I still log on to this site is a good scrooster rant.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:03 pm to
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That's a great claim.
Now prove it.


I could recommend some child development courses you could take, as I did. Will that suffice?
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:06 pm to
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Ummmmmmm ..... link?


Scrooster, you're way too smart to stoop to this tactic. Child development is a field of study that's as popular and well studied as any in psychology.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:16 pm to
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Now if I make the wrong choice about what hand to write with, how the hell is a kid supposed to make a concrete choice about their gender at that age to irreversible consequences if they choose wrong? That's fricking ridiculous, and the people who are for this should be tarred and feathered, as well as having their licenses to teach revoked.


Knees have been jerking in this thread more than in the Riverdance 20th Anniversary Tour. Kids are not choosing their genders.

The well-intentioned but goofy way the Brighton Town Council went about addressing the plight of transgendered students in their schools is both hilarious and sad. They have created unnecessary consternation for the less sensitive of their residents (and those in this thread) and probably have also caused a more hostile environment for the very kids they sought to help.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3907 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:16 pm to
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Your grandparents didn't accept black people. Your parents were smarter than that. Your parents accepted black people; but not gay people. You were smarter than that. You accepted gay people; but not transgender people. Your kids will be smarter than you. They will accept transgender people; but still not Auburn fans.


You're right in the way that trans people will be viewed differently by the upcoming generations. But I think the argument a lot of people here are making isn't that being trans is a bad thing that should be "tolerated" at best. It's that letting a child who is barely older than a toddler make a decision like that is basically ending their life right there at age four if they decide they want the complicated option.

I mean, fricking really. You don't let your kids lease a car, take out a mortgage, or get married at four years old. Why would you let them be in charge of their own gender? What boundaries and structure does a child have after that point? You're going to let them do that and then tell them they have to eat their veggies and be in bed by a certain time?

Children have basic rights to safety, a warm place to sleep, food to eat, an education, and other essentials. Until they're not walking flesh sacks of weakness, struggling to gain a rudimentary grasp on language and not eating things that aren't food, their right to an opinion gets put on hold for awhile. You get to take your first steps in choosing "who you are" when you start picking out your own clothes and have your career day at school. You don't decide who you are when you don't know that sticking a fork in the light socket is an idea that requires further thought.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18184 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:11 pm to
This whole ghey thing has gone too damn far. I don't really care who you sleep with. If you want to make a mistake, who am I to get in your way... but quit trying to make a big deal about me thinking it is morally wrong.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37716 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:42 pm to
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Scrooster, you're way too smart to stoop to this tactic. Child development is a field of study that's as popular and well studied as any in psychology.


My youngest daughter, in her 30s and mother to a couple of my grandchildren ... holds a PhD in Early Developmental Childhood Psychology and teaches the subject at two major universities in Florida .... one which is renowned in the discipline.

She's the one that sent me the link ... and even she calls bullshite on kids making that kind of decision at such an early age. She and I rarely agree on modern child rearing .... but she turned out okay, she admits that with gusto. She deals with various kids' problems all the time ... sexual stuff included. The kids don't get it at that young of an age.

My Daughter also co-authored a book on the subject.

And just for giggles and grins, I just hung up the phone with a very close friend of mine's wife out in Sun Valley. She is known as the Child Psychologist to the stars .... Hollywood types. List reads like the who's who ... and she too basically calls bullshite on this idea that these pre-adolescent children understand anything about the gender identity ... while adults are capable, if they know the signs, of recognizing the possibility in their children. Still, nothing can be known for sure until nearer puberty.

Take it FWIW .... but when those two basically tell me the same thing in their own intellectually superior snobby-assed ways .... I'm taking their words for it.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 4/22/16 at 4:06 am to
This shite is pretty simple.

What were you born with? A dick? A vagina? Both? If both, then you get to decide, if not then frick off you attention whore.

Posted by tomsellecksmustache
Dallas, Texas
Member since Dec 2015
1786 posts
Posted on 4/22/16 at 5:38 am to
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This shite is pretty simple.

What were you born with? A dick? A vagina? Both? If both, then you get to decide, if not then frick off you attention whore.



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