re: The Death Penalty

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For instance, I dont view all human life as equal. A fetus doesnt have the same societal value as a five year, but it has far more value than someone who kills people as a hobby. I support the death penalty because because I view the latter form of life essentially worthless to society, and largely oppose abortion because while it isnt "murder" in my opinion it usually deprives a future person the chance at life usually for convenience. Such an act sets a terrible precedent for society as a whole regardless of how valuable a fetus is.

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But I look at it as this way: is it selfish to pull out and deny life? If that baby has no business being conceived in the first place and a person who births it has no means to raise it on their own, what's the big crime here?

Previously (and still in much of the world), the penalty for that would be to watch your baby slowly but surely starve to death and thus putting the parent into even larger turmoil. Now it's on our dime to clean up your frick-up, as well as any future frick-up that kid commits when he/she grows older.

Your mistake should not cost the people millions of dollars. We should get a vote, because now we become your employers. I vote we open as many avenues as possible in order for the idiots to stop popping out more idiots, and abortion is one of those avenues that has been fairly effective. It's what's driving me nuts on everyone wanting "Planned Parenthood" defunded. Yes it's fricked up they have abortion quotas, and they shouldn't have them, but they still provide a very big net good for society.

I understand what you're saying, but you are wrong. The argument "the death penalty is defenses murder, therefore the death penalty is wrong," is, by definition, a circular argument.


Eye for an eye is a fallacy of relevance and really a moral proposition. I assume eye for an eye is just because it is not relevant, it is a moral proposition and what the American jury system is for.

It's only backwards because of how long we have to wait to kill them.

The death penalty should be handed out much more liberally. The world is overpopulated as it is. Everybody who shared the "post this or Facebook will make you pay $5.99 to keep your shite private" shite should be put to death.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'll never get to the point where I'm willing to acknowledge the ends justify the means on this one.

And I used to be with you on PP, the idea that their other health benefits were worth funding them. But if even part of what the videos claim is true I have a much tougher time agreeing with using federal funds on them. The videos claim they are committing multiple widespread felonies and that needs to be stopped before we agree to continue funding them IMO.

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What if they do that before ya kill 'em? The threat is always there, the justice system does not allow for a quick process.

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They're due for a fair trial. That's in their basic rights. Once they've been convicted, then their rights should be stripped away completely and we can have our way with them. I'm willing to sacrifice some people, including myself, in order to make sure we as a country retain our rights. That's how I defend the 30 people who were unfortunately killed. Him being convicted though, that blood is on all of our hands if he escapes.

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Economically it's cheaper to house them because giving them a lawyer and seven years of appeals (sometimes longer) can be pretty damn expensive.

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Which is why I say take the Ted Bundys out back and shoot them immediately after they're convicted.

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Even El Chapo, the easiest way to keep him from escaping was shipping him to America.

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Yeah, but to end his reign of terror, the simplest way is to kill him, just like Bin Laden.

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I can't get too deep into it because it's just a fundamental question: Am I willing, myself, to kill someone outside of emotional reasons (someone raped my mom and murdered her so out of rage and vengeance I killed them) for any crime?

My answer will be no. You could convince me economically (say, we sped up the process to those who pleaded guilty, or who were caught on camera with multiple witnesses), or even in an instance where it was necessity (we don't have enough food, someone's gotta go -- let it be the felon) -- but morally and/or philosophically I can't justify it.

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Well this is what separates us and where we won't come to an understanding. I doubt I'd have any problem shooting Albert Fish in the face at point blank range, but that's just me. I could be wrong, but if you tell me a few monstrous acts he's responsible for, I'd think it'd be almost an obligation for me to put him out of his misery.

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Yeah, but to end his reign of terror, the simplest way is to kill him, just like Bin Laden.

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Let me put it this way, and it may seem strangely paradoxical but: If we were to kill them in the act -- say -- as we caught them, I would be far more okay with that.

The moment we take them into custody, however, it becomes taboo. If in the wild (so to speak), I'm fine with putting a bullet in their head and saying they fought back in extreme cases.

But, with the qualifier: If you catch them, they no longer have the capacity to defend themselves and therefore you must treat them accordingly.

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The death penalty should be handed out much more liberally. The world is overpopulated as it is. Everybody who shared the "post this or Facebook will make you pay $5.99 to keep your shite private" shite should be put to death.

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No it shouldn't. Just in the most extreme cases. It's got to be to the point where it would be so bad that if we let him off completely, it would be a foregone conclusion this person would go kill people in masse. Someone who kills a certain person simply out of passion shouldn't get the death penalty, just rot in a cell forever to think about what he's done. This goes for rapists as well.

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Then we should change the reason to population control. Call it euthanasia to make the pussies feel better.

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Alright, then I'm behind it.

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1. Lack of resources. 

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The resources come entirely from us. Theoretically if we are unwilling to do so, they will be lacking. Morally, why should be willing to do so? That's the issue.

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conomically it's cheaper to keep you alive,

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bullshite. Especially if we streamline the process

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adistically living your life behind bars is worse than dying quickly

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Disagree

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I get to keep my moral high ground

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Uh, no. You literally just said it's worse. You sadistic, cruel bastard.

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LINK ;

You're an adept at this, really.

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Applying your logic to hypothetoials has nothing to do with being quixotic. Even if you think it's an invalid application. And "adept" is not a noun.

I'm literally just trying to understand your view, and apply it. Don't try to be academic and philosophical with your wiki links, you always fall on your own sword and it's embarrassing.

Yeah I'm not sure that was the reasoning I pulled from your original response.


Even if so, the reasoning does not support the premise and is a logical fallacy as well.


I'm not sure the point of all this, as I really don't care about anyone's position on the death penalty, it is what it is and has been for the entire existence of mankind. Unless we are going though some sort of enlightenment about the logic we use as a species, it will exist tomorrow when I wake up as well. Personally, I'm fine with that.