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re: Ted Cruz announces candidacy.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:49 pm to the808bass
Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:49 pm to the808bass
He lost the primary to an anti-war candidate, won the general by switching parties and claiming 70% of the Republican vote.
Not surprising considering the nations stance on involvement in the Middle East at the time. It was the most hot button issue, and it cost him the primary. That is politics.
He struck a deal to keep his positions of leadership and ended up voting democratic a majority of the time. He got beat and realized he had better pony up, and he did.
He endorsed McCain in the 08 election. Obama, after winning, helped him retain his position.
Not surprising considering the nations stance on involvement in the Middle East at the time. It was the most hot button issue, and it cost him the primary. That is politics.
He struck a deal to keep his positions of leadership and ended up voting democratic a majority of the time. He got beat and realized he had better pony up, and he did.
He endorsed McCain in the 08 election. Obama, after winning, helped him retain his position.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:02 pm to cokebottleag
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Ted Cruz belongs as a firebrand Senator, not a presidential candidate. I'm ultra conservative and I wouldn't vote for him, he is un-electable and isn't presidential.
He is a male Sarah Palin; the best place for him is stoking the base for money/votes, but not as the front man.
Unfortunately, I have to agree. But I also feel that Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee are un-electable.
Jeb Bush can go frick himself as far as I'm concerned. G.W. (Daddy) was shitty - I really like George W. as a person - and he was not a bad president, he was simply too nice.
But Jeb ... Jeb can go frick himself.
I'm starting to like Scott Walker.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:10 pm to 5thTiger
I demand to see his birth certificate.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:13 pm to scrooster
Why is Rand Paul unelectable? Un-nominateable? Maybe, but unelectable? The guy is a principled small government conservative to his core. His positions on social issues have made him hugely popular among young voters, moderates, and he has even made in-roads among African Americans. He is probably the most electable republican candidate since Ronald Reagan, but the least nominatable due to his anti-ethanol, and legalization stances, sadly.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:15 pm to kingbob
Whether its right or wrong, he will always be attached to his father, and his fathers ideas. Combine that with his anti-ethanol and legalization stances, and you have an unelectable candidate.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:17 pm to OleRockyTop
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I'm for Frank Underwood 2016
This.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:19 pm to 5thTiger
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The Republicans have been hijacked by Tea Party conservatives who have rolled social issues to the forefront of the party.
While some holy rollers have fallen under the TP umbrella, the quoted is flatly false.
The moral majority really pushed the social issues a couple of decades ago. If anything, this is the most socially liberal conservative movement in recent memory. Yes religious conservatives are still a sizable portion of the GOP and have to be pandered to, but the Tea Party's main focus is on fiscal issues and has been on fiscal issues. I fell into the trap of this thinking before, but it's just wrong.
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They have alienated many social groups from supporting them.
They lose gays on the gay marriage issue but make up way more in religious conservatives. They lose some women on abortion, but without seeing the numbers it is not THAT big of a difference.
The GOP's big demographic loss has been with Hispanics due to the tone of the immigration discussion. That's not a policy position problem, as much as a presentation problem. Sure it won't be super popular, but the xenophobia bubbles under the surface.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:23 pm to 5thTiger
Anybody who announces their candidacy from liberty university is automatically removed from my list.
Then he added insult to injury by telling people to vote according to their values. But I thought conservatives were all about liberty?
Then he added insult to injury by telling people to vote according to their values. But I thought conservatives were all about liberty?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:30 pm to Duke
Brookings Minority Turnout
Voter by Race
Women's Votes
I mean, statistics show that minorities and women have recently voted Dem, and pretty substantially.
Anything more than a 2 or 3 point difference is pretty substantial in the political world. Couldn't find any numbers on the gay community, but I'd probably guess that they went Dem too.
Edit: As for the ignorance statement about the Tea Party... I can't put it better than Sorkin did in Newsroom. Tea Party Tea Party 2
While it is a hindsight looking series, most of the facts are correct.
As for my comments on Tea Party social issues, a large portion of its caucus have given very firm public statements on multiple social issues, including gay marriage, immigration, and pro-life. It isn't ignorant to say that these social issues hold back what might be good fiscal policies.
Voter by Race
Women's Votes
I mean, statistics show that minorities and women have recently voted Dem, and pretty substantially.
Anything more than a 2 or 3 point difference is pretty substantial in the political world. Couldn't find any numbers on the gay community, but I'd probably guess that they went Dem too.
Edit: As for the ignorance statement about the Tea Party... I can't put it better than Sorkin did in Newsroom. Tea Party Tea Party 2
While it is a hindsight looking series, most of the facts are correct.
As for my comments on Tea Party social issues, a large portion of its caucus have given very firm public statements on multiple social issues, including gay marriage, immigration, and pro-life. It isn't ignorant to say that these social issues hold back what might be good fiscal policies.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:32 pm to Duke
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but the Tea Party's main focus is on fiscal issues and has been on fiscal issues. I fell into the trap of this thinking before, but it's just wrong.
i meant to address that bit of ignorance, but got caught up. thank you, as always, Duke for your middle of the road fairness
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:38 pm to 5thTiger
We all know the minority story with the Republicans. Nothing new.
The women's end isn't just about abortion, and you still need the pro lifers to win anything if you're the GOP. The GOP hasn't been good at speaking to other so called "women's issues". Access to birth control. Remember Rush calling Fluke a slut? Yeah, that doesn't play well. Discussions on "legitimate rape". Gender wage equality. It's no surprise the GOP isn't making up ground with women.
They best figure out how to do that for 2016. It's the group Hillary plans on riding to victory.
The women's end isn't just about abortion, and you still need the pro lifers to win anything if you're the GOP. The GOP hasn't been good at speaking to other so called "women's issues". Access to birth control. Remember Rush calling Fluke a slut? Yeah, that doesn't play well. Discussions on "legitimate rape". Gender wage equality. It's no surprise the GOP isn't making up ground with women.
They best figure out how to do that for 2016. It's the group Hillary plans on riding to victory.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:39 pm to kingbob
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He is probably the most electable republican candidate since Ronald Reagan, but the least nominatable due to his anti-ethanol, and legalization stances, sadly.
I would vote for him. I will vote for him. Hell. I may campaign for him.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:40 pm to 5thTiger
The only chance I don't vote 3rd party is if Rand runs. Even then, I won't be satisfied, but could bite my tongue and bare it enough to vote Republican.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:41 pm to Masterag
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Then he added insult to injury by telling people to vote according to their values. But I thought conservatives were all about liberty?
Are you telling me you're not going to vote according to your values?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:44 pm to Duke
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The GOP hasn't been good at speaking to other so called "women's issues".
Eh. Women have more opportunity now than ever before. No one is keeping them from buying contraception. No one is keeping them from getting a job. No one is keeping them from getting an education. Quite the opposite. It's a made up conflict to keep women voting Democratic.
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Gender wage equality.
The best liberal facts are myths.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Millenials are the Republicans worst nightmare.
Correct, but we are too stupid to realize it.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
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won't offer common sense solutions to lowering the cost of education because the conservative wing will label it socialist.
If we quit giving away free money thus artificially inflating the demand of college education, it would solve it. That's how real life works. I don't suppose that will qualify as a "common sense" approach.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:57 pm to the808bass
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It's a made up conflict to keep women voting Democratic.
Yes.
It works. The GOP can't sit back and let women keep splitting like they have the last two elections.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:04 pm to the808bass
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I would vote for him. I will vote for him. Hell. I may campaign for him.
This
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:37 pm to 3nOut
A vast majority of Americans support restrictions on abortions, but keeping them legal. The GOP stance on abortion for the most part is in line with a large majority.
It's the war on drugs and gay marriage stance that they need to change. Only a minority of sick minded people support unrestricted killing of a fetus, and you have to go through some major mental gymnastics to see it as a woman's choice rather than the killing of an unborn baby
It's the war on drugs and gay marriage stance that they need to change. Only a minority of sick minded people support unrestricted killing of a fetus, and you have to go through some major mental gymnastics to see it as a woman's choice rather than the killing of an unborn baby
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