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Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:40 pm to Bama Bird
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:40 pm to Bama Bird
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And on an earlier note, LINK
The case of Johnny Garrett has been debated for 20 years, and even the most staunch defenders only put the odds of his innocence at around 79%. Perez Rueda was a mentally unstable individual who was deprived of food for three days while they were seeking confession for a different murder when he confessed to both. The fact remains that no DNA evidence has ever officially exonerated a man or woman post-execution. One of the local attorneys was a family friend who many think fed Reuda info about the crime after his confession on the promise that he wouldnt be killed if he went along with it.
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John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Again, this speaks to a misundering of jewish ceremonial and judicial law versus administrative legal and moral law.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:42 pm
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:41 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Dude, life and death is not so black and white. Sure, they suck and deserve to suffer consequences but to murder them? Take their life away? Damn. That's heavy.
You can't sit there and tell me child rapists deserve to live.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:41 pm to bbvdd
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Strongly support and believe it should be applied way more than it is.
Murderers (not only 1st degree, but also crimes of passion), rapist, anyone that would harm a child (such as rape), etc.
I truly believe that one of the reasons crime is still high today is that criminals aren't scared to go to jail. If we were to have a criminal system that made people absolutely terrified to go to jail you wouldn't see nearly as many crimes committed.
Agree with all of this and especially agree that the prison system is all kinds of fricked up.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:42 pm to sorantable
I oppose it not on moral grounds, but on the fact that it costs way more tax payer money to execute someone than it does to give them life in prison. All the legal fees over the appeals adds up to millions.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:43 pm to sorantable
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Take their life away? Damn. That's heavy.
Yes. They don't deserve to have it anymore if they do shite like that.
I say put them among the lowest of the low in prison for 15 years, let them shower with other inmates, then be put in solitary for 23 hours every day. Then have a needle put in them after a decade and a half.
That's EXACTLY what those kind of people deserve.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:44 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:45 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Even so, I feel like rottin in prison for several decades is a worse punishment than getting an easy out.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, this speaks to a misundering of jewish ceremonial and judicial law versus administrative legal and moral law.
Then why do so many who agree with you tend to insist a direct reflection of Biblical personal law in the Government?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:46 pm to jbond
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Even so, I feel like rottin in prison for several decades is a worse punishment than getting an easy out.
Added more to my post.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:50 pm to Bama Bird
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Congratulations. You just exonerated Hitler
Hitler wouldnt have been charged with murder, he'd have been charged with war crimes against humanity like the other Nazi leadership. The charges at Nuremberg were “conspiring to engage in the other 3 accounts,” “crimes against peace,” “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity.”
It should also be noted that Hitler merely superceded German law that was still on the books. What he was doing was, technically under German law, still murder. He just didn't care. It would be equal to Obama implementing Marshall law without causes and then abusing it. The difference is we wouldnt stand for it and Germany did.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:52 pm to Bama Bird
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Then why do so many who agree with you tend to insist a direct reflection of Biblical personal law in the Government?
Because most bible thumpers know less about the bible than the average atheist.
For instance, very few christian conservatives (of which I'm one) know that Jesus commanded us to pay taxes if required by the government.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Hitler wouldnt have been charged with murder, he'd have been charged with war crimes against humanity like the other Nazi leadership. The charges at Nuremberg were “conspiring to engage in the other 3 accounts,” “crimes against peace,” “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity.”
Because there is no such thing as International Murder charges.
Legitimate power leads to legitimate laws. Hitler had both and decided to enforce those laws via murder.
And what about people in Sharia law countries who get executed for adultery, homosexuality, and other things we deem completely legal? That's still happening now and it's under legitimate law.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:56 pm to sorantable
I'm for it. Need more of it. I wish it were quicker and more public. Sets a good deterrent there's not enough harm in prison to deter criminals from doing what they do.
eta: I'm even fine with the death penalty being levied against white collar crimes such as embezzlement, perjury, large scale fraud, and drug traffiking. Things that do great damage to society need to be punished greatly.
eta: I'm even fine with the death penalty being levied against white collar crimes such as embezzlement, perjury, large scale fraud, and drug traffiking. Things that do great damage to society need to be punished greatly.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:02 pm to Bama Bird
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If you oppose abortion, I feel you have to oppose the DP
This is incorrect.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:05 pm to sorantable
The state shouldn't be in charge of killing anybody.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:05 pm to sorantable
People that support the Death Penalty but claim to be "Pro-Life" are hypocritical
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:07 pm to Stripes314
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People that support the Death Penalty but claim to be "Pro-Life" are hypocritical
Nothing remotely hypocritical about it.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:11 pm to Bama Bird
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And what about people in Sharia law countries who get executed for adultery, homosexuality, and other things we deem completely legal?
Well, if I ever travel to Saudi Arabia I won't commit adultery.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:11 pm to Stripes314
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People that support the Death Penalty but claim to be "Pro-Life" are hypocritical
Again, explain.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
But you admit those people are being rightfully and deservedly killed
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