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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:01 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:01 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Not the religion which is merely an excuse and a tool to those evil people/violent extremists in this case.
There will always be evil men doing evil and good men doing good, but it takes religion to make a good man do evil.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:02 pm to PrivatePublic
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I call and raise 9/11. In this hand recent events bear more weight than those of the distant past.
I was somewhat joking as that is how these threads typically start out. But we can't completely ignore the past. Terrible acts have taken place envoking the name of many, and likely all religions throughout history. It is my opinion that blaming the religion and not the people does nothing but perpetuate the violence.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:03 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Does the bible not have passages which approve actions which I would find reprehensible?
The OT does for sure. Not so much the NT.
If you know anything at all about Christianity then you know the difference is highly significant.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Every copy of the bible in existence was hand copied and every small village and town in Europe had 1-2 if that.
And the vast majority were in the Latin Vulgate. The Catholic church did not want the everyday Christian to be able to read it.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:04 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Go read current Islamic leaders statements on violence and terrorism.
Which ones, those in America or those in Saudi Arabia?
Just because some Islamic leaders speak out against violence doesn't change what the Quran says.
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Does the bible not have passages which approve actions which I would find reprehensible?
Yes, it does. The New Testament, where Christians derive their lifestyle and morals from, does not advocate for violence as a means of conversion. It advocates for the exact opposite.
I don't agree with either religion, but Islam is far more dangerous than Christianity. Just ask yourself whether you would live in a Christian theocracy or an Islamic theocracy, and you'll realize why this is true.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The situations are entirely different. The crusades were a combination of papal power grab and retaliation for Islamic attack on Christian traders. The act itself actually goes against the teachings of Jesus in the NT, by performing the crusades the church was actively defying the beliefs they claimed.
Exactly. Why do people bring up the Crusades in an attempt to paint Christianity as just as violent as Islam. The 400 years preceding the Crusades may not justify them, but it certainly makes them understandable.
That being said, killing in the name of God is wrong, no matter which God it is. Unless it's Lord Xenu.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:07 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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And the vast majority were in the Latin Vulgate.
Because that was the official language of the Holy Roman Empire.
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The Catholic church did not want the everyday Christian to be able to read it.
Even if they did, so what? Its not like reading the bible would have changed the minds of all those European catholics. The bible's message of salvation through Jesus is what the catholic church professes.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:08 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Does the bible not have passages which approve actions which I would find reprehensible?
It likely does. The religion has ameliorated its views esp. since the Enlightenment so that most of those are explained away. Islam views the Koran as the embodiment of Allah. As such, it is more difficult to interpret difficulties away.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
I wouldn't want to live in any theocracy.
And from both areas (I can't speak specifically to Saudi Arabia, but there are plenty of religious leaders speaking out against violence).
That may be the case, but we need to stop blaming the religion if we ever want any sort of an actual solution to the problems we face.
And from both areas (I can't speak specifically to Saudi Arabia, but there are plenty of religious leaders speaking out against violence).
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I don't agree with either religion, but Islam is far more dangerous than Christianity.
That may be the case, but we need to stop blaming the religion if we ever want any sort of an actual solution to the problems we face.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Unless it's Lord Xenu.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:11 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
I would also like to say that i think a lot of the turmoil we see in the middle east is more of a diversion to maintain the status quo and for those in power to keep that power rather than any real basis in an attempt to further Islam. At least at the higher levels, who are then able to "brainwash" so to speak the poor and impressionable youth.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:11 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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but we need to stop blaming the religion if we ever want any sort of an actual solution to the problems we face.
The religion is why they do the things they do. These people GENUINELY believe they will be rewarded by God for this. That is more powerful than any solution you can come up with.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
I disagree, see above post. Some of the lower levels think that way. But in the end it is more about power IMO.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:14 pm to the808bass
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Islam views the Koran as the embodiment of Allah. As such, it is more difficult to interpret difficulties away.
This is a good point.
Despite what American evangelicals would have you believe, the bible was never historically touted as entirely literal or the direct word of God. It was viewed as an inspired history written by men which provided accurate ideas if not always literal accounts.
Islam has always historically claimed that the Quran was written by the hand of God through the prophet and is without error and infallible.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:15 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I disagree, see above post. Some of the lower levels think that way. But in the end it is more about power IMO.
While I think this is a naïve view, even if its true it doesn't matter. The people doing these things are the power hungry elite, its the millions of lower level minions who do genuinely believe.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
Link which discusses the topic of Muslims speaking out against violence undertaken in the name of Islam.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:18 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Again, I don't disagree there are many muslims against violence. Understand though that such people are DEFYING the Quran, not following it.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
I am not sure what is so naive about it, it was the same thing that happened with Christianity multiple times as well as other religions.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, I don't disagree there are many muslims against violence. Understand though that such people are DEFYING the Quran, not following it.
If you read through many of the quotes and discussions, they will say how their actions are not following the Quran. You can't take out a single verse and say see here they are promoting violence and terrorism, because nothing in it is allowed to stand alone, the entire context of the writing must be considered.
I will get into it more later if you wish but a few quotes for musing:
"...if any one slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew the whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." [Quran 5:35]
"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]
"But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah" [Quran 9:61].
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 1:33 pm
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