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re: Staunch anti-gay pastor caught soliciting men on Grindr
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:19 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:19 am to JustGetItRight
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So is a person engaging in a homosexual lifestyle a sinner like a liar or thief? Yes. They're also a sinner just like me, who used several of George Carlin's 7 words when the guy sat at the green arrow and caused me to miss a light on the way to work this morning. We're all in the same boat.
I mean I'll just never agree with it, but it seems that you've come to what you view as a stable understanding of the ridiculousness of the concept. But if you walk in on your son slobbing on some dudes knob, you'll react much differently than if you saw him drop an f bomb.
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:30 am to TeLeFaWx
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I mean I'll just never agree with it, but it seems that you've come to what you view as a stable understanding of the ridiculousness of the concept. But if you walk in on your son slobbing on some dudes knob, you'll react much differently than if you saw him drop an f bomb.
Well, I've got a daughter so I think I'm safe from that happening.
But as to the general theme, of course I would. I'm not God so my personal feelings cause me to rate sin so I (like everyone) view some transgressions differently than others - which is really a sin in its own right. That's the whole 'judge not lest ye be judged' thing.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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'm still convinced the Breakaway guy is in the closet. I went to Breakaway once because the chick I was fricking was super in to it and it was the anti-gay one, and it was like... killing me how obvious it was. He has a lisp, was telling all these stories about gay dudes, and like... Iunno. I can't have been the only one there who was thinking it. There were like 10,000 others and it had to have been like 09/10.
lol I had completely forgotten about Breakaway
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A large Christian gathering at every week at A&M. No joke, great place to pick up chicks.
For sure. Christian youth group bitches are often extremely hot
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:43 am to JustGetItRight
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But as to the general theme, of course I would. I'm not God so my personal feelings cause me to rate sin so I (like everyone) view some transgressions differently than others - which is really a sin in its own right. That's the whole 'judge not lest ye be judged' thing.
Yeah but homosexuality ain't a sin. It's just the way someone was born. You don't need a book to tell you that. Two dudes kissing and stuff is weird, but in a certain percentage of people that's just the way they were built. You can go to Church and learn empathy and how to stop cussing, lying, and stealing. You can give up a lot of selfish behavior and be a better person. You can't pray away the gay, no matter how hard you try.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:19 am to TeLeFaWx
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Yeah but homosexuality ain't a sin. It's just the way someone was born. You don't need a book to tell you that. Two dudes kissing and stuff is weird, but in a certain percentage of people that's just the way they were built.
We're going to just have to disagree on the 'born that way' part. I don't believe that to be the case BUT let's accept that it is because it really isn't relevant to the issue because being sexually attracted to the same gender isn't the sin. The sin is acting on the impuse.
The guy that finds his secretary attractive isn't sinning until he lusts after her and/or boinks her.
The alcoholic isn't sinning until he goes out and gets drunk.
To the extreme, the guy that's capable of murder isn't sinning until he goes out to kill someone.
We all have things that we like or find more pleasurable than others and thus will be more prone to do, so the crux of the argument really comes down to the question of whether or not engaging in homosexual activity a sin. In my opinion, the only way to argue it is not is to pretty much ignore the writings of Paul - which is hard to do since he authored over half of the new testament.
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You can go to Church and learn empathy and how to stop cussing, lying, and stealing. You can give up a lot of selfish behavior and be a better person. You can't pray away the gay, no matter how hard you try.
You can also learn empathy and become a better person without ever darkening the doors of a church or opening the cover of a Bible. What you can't do is gain forgiveness for whatever your sins may be.
I've got to head out for a while. This has been a good discussion.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:26 am to Roger Klarvin
Staunch anti-gays always seem like gays to me.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:28 am to TeLeFaWx
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Staunch anti-gay pastor caught soliciting men on Grindr
Read this as: Staunch anti-gay pastor caught soliciting me on Grindr.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:34 am to JustGetItRight
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We're going to just have to disagree on the 'born that way' part.
Well you're wrong.
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I don't believe that to be the case BUT let's accept that it is because it really isn't relevant to the issue because being sexually attracted to the same gender isn't the sin. The sin is acting on the impuse.
Trying to find a partner to share your life with isn't a sin.
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The guy that finds his secretary attractive isn't sinning until he lusts after her and/or boinks her.
Sure. If he's breaking vows of matrimony.
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The alcoholic isn't sinning until he goes out and gets drunk.
Sure.
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To the extreme, the guy that's capable of murder isn't sinning until he goes out to kill someone.
Agreed.
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We all have things that we like or find more pleasurable than others and thus will be more prone to do, so the crux of the argument really comes down to the question of whether or not engaging in homosexual activity a sin.
Well this goes back to your initial definition of someone not being born that way. You can't accept that fact because it would derail your logical train. It isn't a sin to act your innate biological desire to find a partner.
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In my opinion, the only way to argue it is not is to pretty much ignore the writings of Paul - which is hard to do since he authored over half of the new testament.
No it's not a sin because being born gay isn't a big deal. God doesn't give a shite. If two gay guys slob eachothers knobs what's the big deal. That isn't preventing them from being productive members of society. Stealing someone's shite, murdering them, destroying their marriages. That's a problem, and if God does care about the minutia of day to day life, that's something he would care about. He doesn't give a shite what people do in their bedrooms. You sticking your finger up your wife's butt(or whatever her kink is) doesn't prevent her from taking the kids to soccer practice. What two consenting adults do with each other isn't a sin. Who cares.
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You can also learn empathy and become a better person without ever darkening the doors of a church or opening the cover of a Bible. What you can't do is gain forgiveness for whatever your sins may be.
Sure you can. The only people that are in heaven(if it even exists) aren't Southern Baptists. Hell, if God left in half the Baptists I ever met in over my last dog, I don't want to go to heaven.
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I've got to head out for a while. This has been a good discussion.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:43 am to TeLeFaWx
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You sticking your finger up your wife's butt(or whatever her kink is) doesn't prevent her from taking the kids to soccer practice.
This right here is one of the finest strings of words ever to grace the hallowed ether of tRant.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 12:39 pm to JustGetItRight
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I've got a daughter so I think I'm safe from that happening.
Oh, I bet she sucks dick.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:18 pm to Pavoloco83
But not gay dick.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:25 pm to the808bass
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Dear Members of St. John’s,
God is good today. Yesterday was hard, of course.
I bet it was... Practically throbbing.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:41 pm to Pavoloco83
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Oh, I bet she sucks dick.
She's 5 so I really hope not.....
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:33 pm to Duke
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Behind every holy roller politician is a party with hookers and blow.
Behind every anti-gay preacher is...well you know...
Sometimes that line can be blurred.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:27 pm to Numberwang
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This right here is one of the finest strings of words ever to grace the hallowed ether of tRant.
In the top 25 greatest things uttered on the Rant I probably said 6 or 7 of them.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:48 pm to JustGetItRight
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She's 5 so I really hope not.....
Not yet anyway. Good luck.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 6:04 pm to TeLeFaWx
You probably did. You're good at it.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 1:34 pm to JustGetItRight
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A more accurate description is that God doesn't rate sin. It is a yes/no proposition - you're either a sinner or you're not and since we're all fallen creatures, we're all sinners and no one man's sin is worse or less forgivable than another.
I know what you're trying to say, but what you've said simply is not true. If there are no degrees to sin, why is denial of the Holy Ghost, according to Jesus in the book of Matthew, the only sin that will NOT be forgiven - in this world or the next?
Everything else can be forgiven, but blasphemy of the Holy Ghost will not.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 1:52 pm to StreamsOfWhiskey
Blasphemy doesn't equal denial.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 1:55 pm to StreamsOfWhiskey
You've inadvertently proven his point. There is only one sin different and its specifically mentioned.
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