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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:51 am to hogNsinceReagan
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:51 am to hogNsinceReagan
Ah, nostalgia.
KOTOR was so good.
I have a man crush on Alan Tudyk, the voice of the droid.
KOTOR was so good.
I have a man crush on Alan Tudyk, the voice of the droid.
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:24 pm to PrivatePublic
SPOILER BELOW:
Rey goes to the dark side. They haven't had a story arc where a female goes to the dark side, so they will check that box with this one. There are hints on the official movie poster.
Rey goes to the dark side. They haven't had a story arc where a female goes to the dark side, so they will check that box with this one. There are hints on the official movie poster.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 12:19 am to PrivatePublic
quote:no, not evil. Misguided. A few other posters have gone into this a little bit already but basically we have been shown over and over that the dogmatic nature of the Jedi was their downfall. Their adherence to complete self denial and rejection of anything that they see as, let's be honest, human, is a recipe for disaster. It's not a coincidence that so many great Jedi fell so far to the dark side and became so evil. Luke uses both the light and the dark sides in the original trilogy. This is undeniable and has been discussed and proven ad nauseum. Luke is basically the ideal force-user. Someone who is Guided by his conscience and his sense of Good and Evil and who understands that emotion can be as powerful a Force for good as for evil. If Anakin were allowed to Simply Be human and feel his emotions without being made to feel like a traitor to the Jedi, he would have never become Darth Vader.
Have the Jedi been evil all along?
I could go on for many paragraphs and pages about this because I am that big a nerd but I will just close with one thing. In episode 3, Anakin tells Obi-Wan that if he is not with him he is against him. Obi-Wan replies that only a Sith deals in absolutes. See the contradiction here? Obi Wan's reply is itself a dogmatic absolutist statement that characterizes the old Jedi Order perfectly. Balance in the force is not just something that should be attained Galaxy wide but within the self as well. That's why Luke is so special and why he will never fall to the dark side as it were.
ETA: it's no coincidence that Yoda constantly rails against the danger of fear within the self yet he is one of the most fearful characters in the entire franchise. He is absolutely terrified of allowing himself to drop his unfeeling and disciplined view of what the light side is. He doesn't trust himself not to fall to the dark side and as an extension of that doesn't trust any Jedi to feel any emotion either.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 12:22 am
Posted on 4/16/17 at 12:34 am to teamjackson
Feel the power of the Dark Side.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 1:12 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Rouge 1 sucked big fat purple floppy hippopotamus dicks
On a side note, spelling the word "rogue" with the letters r-o-u-g-e is kinda up there with saying dominate when you mean dominant =)
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:07 pm to PurpleandGeauld
quote:yes! I also get peeved when people say "bias" when they mean "biased" or "alumni" instead of "alumnus" or "alumna."
On a side note, spelling the word "rogue" with the letters r-o-u-g-e is kinda up there with saying dominate when you mean dominant =)
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:28 am to Cheese Grits
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Leave it to The Mouse to find a way to screw a good thing up in the name of higher profits.
Star Wars has been lame AF for at least 20 years. I lost interest with the advent of Jar Jar Binks. it just got stupid.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:29 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Rouge 1 sucked big fat purple floppy hippopotamus dicks
V&S, other than than big orange T you're one of the wisest and consistently spots. Posters on this site, so please do't take this the wrong way but
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH RIGHT NOW!
Rogue 1 is the best Star Wars movie since the first one and if I put nostalgia aside may even be better than that one.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 12:38 pm to JustGetItRight
I think you mean "The Force Awakens". It trumps them all because it's a throwback but does it better than the old ones.
It's kind of like watching the "True Grit" remake. It just does everything better plus you don't have John Wayne in there being a big pussy.
It's kind of like watching the "True Grit" remake. It just does everything better plus you don't have John Wayne in there being a big pussy.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:37 pm to hogNsinceReagan
No I do not.
The Force Awakens might as well have been named "A New Hope 2017"
Jedi student turns on his master, later killed a beloved character.
Jedi hero has gone into seclusion and the god guys really want to find him.
Unknown Jedi on a desert planet, a lovable robot, and a guy with questionable motives team up to destroy planet killing super weapon. They even go to a bar full of sketchy characters.
The only thing different is the bad guy lacks Vader's confidence and the new hero is a cute chick. Aside from that, it is A New Hope with better special effects.
It wasn't terrible, but in terms of the best it is well behind A New Hope, Rogue One, and The Empire Strikes Back. There are no Ewoks, so it places ahead of Return of the Jedi but that is a near call.
Rogue One painted the rebellion in a far more realistic light. When fighting a superpower, even the good guys must use harsh means and they showed it. They showed how in a rebellion, not everyone is in it for the same reasons, and they showed that there is a very high price to pay for pulling on superman's cape. All in all, it was far more edgy than the others. They also wove it into the first movie quite nicely and the special effects and scenery were fantastic.
The Force Awakens might as well have been named "A New Hope 2017"
Jedi student turns on his master, later killed a beloved character.
Jedi hero has gone into seclusion and the god guys really want to find him.
Unknown Jedi on a desert planet, a lovable robot, and a guy with questionable motives team up to destroy planet killing super weapon. They even go to a bar full of sketchy characters.
The only thing different is the bad guy lacks Vader's confidence and the new hero is a cute chick. Aside from that, it is A New Hope with better special effects.
It wasn't terrible, but in terms of the best it is well behind A New Hope, Rogue One, and The Empire Strikes Back. There are no Ewoks, so it places ahead of Return of the Jedi but that is a near call.
Rogue One painted the rebellion in a far more realistic light. When fighting a superpower, even the good guys must use harsh means and they showed it. They showed how in a rebellion, not everyone is in it for the same reasons, and they showed that there is a very high price to pay for pulling on superman's cape. All in all, it was far more edgy than the others. They also wove it into the first movie quite nicely and the special effects and scenery were fantastic.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:43 pm to PurpleandGeauld
This misspelling triggered many a WoW nerd
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:24 pm to JustGetItRight
I liked Rogue 1 because of the sense of urgency it added to A New Hope. R1 ends minutes before NH starts and now you really feel the empire chasing the rebels down.
R1 is at the very least, a 2 hr movie where you'll see plenty of recognizable stuff and its got plenty of action. Like someone said, if you like Star Wars you should like Rogue 1. Its just a Start wars action movie. I like that the plot of it is essentially the opening crawl to NH:
R1 is at the very least, a 2 hr movie where you'll see plenty of recognizable stuff and its got plenty of action. Like someone said, if you like Star Wars you should like Rogue 1. Its just a Start wars action movie. I like that the plot of it is essentially the opening crawl to NH:
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:29 pm to JustGetItRight
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Jedi student turns on his master, later killed a beloved character.
I'm drawing a blank on this one. Who's the Jedi in The Force Awakens you're referring to?
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Jedi hero has gone into seclusion and the god guys really want to find him.
The difference being Yoda had given up while Luke was just waiting.
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Unknown Jedi on a desert planet, a lovable robot, and a guy with questionable motives team up to destroy planet killing super weapon. They even go to a bar full of sketchy characters.
This one you're right. It's the same thing but a totally different flavor. The Jedi's a female, the rascal is a goofy black guy, and the robot is nothing like the other two. It's not a copy but a story arc for the descendants. The bar just reminds you of that.
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The only thing different is the bad guy lacks Vader's confidence and the new hero is a cute chick. Aside from that, it is A New Hope with better special effects.
Vader went from bad to good. The new guy will be the opposite. His lack of confidence is probably what will lead him to the light side. As for the cute chick, I have no complaints.
This next one could be the best in the lot. I would also put it at 20/1 there's an ewok sighting.
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Rogue One painted the rebellion in a far more realistic light. When fighting a superpower, even the good guys must use harsh means and they showed it. They showed how in a rebellion, not everyone is in it for the same reasons, and they showed that there is a very high price to pay for pulling on superman's cape. All in all, it was far more edgy than the others. They also wove it into the first movie quite nicely and the special effects and scenery were fantastic.
Edgy? I'll give you that. All day.... but you want to talk about rehash? "hey let's test the death star by blowing stuff up and sending a message." "We will use the death star to crush the rebellion." "we must stop the death star".... "This time instead of a cantina full of aliens let's use a market square instead." "Hey, I have an idea, let's make a star wars without lightsabers"..."You don't think that's too edgy?"..."Nah, let's do it, the non-conformists will love it."
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:57 pm to hogNsinceReagan
OK, so I really liked The Force Awakens, but I am a servant of accuracy, regardless of what side anyone's trying to argue here. 
of course, using the term "Jedi" very loosely. Both play the same role, though, so whether or not they were "Jedi"
officially or not really doesn't make a difference.
quote:Ben Solo,
I'm drawing a blank on this one. Who's the Jedi in The Force Awakens you're referring to?
of course, using the term "Jedi" very loosely. Both play the same role, though, so whether or not they were "Jedi"
officially or not really doesn't make a difference.
quote:We've got no evidence that Luke was "just waiting." Actually all signs point to Luke having exactly pulled a Yoda, secluding himself with no intention of ever being found and never teaching the ways of the Force again.
The difference being Yoda had given up while Luke was just waiting.
quote:The "rascal" is probably Poe Dameron, but nobody really fits the Han Solo role to a T in TFA. Finn has been heavily, heavily foreshadowed to be a Force user, too.
This one you're right. It's the same thing but a totally different flavor. The Jedi's a female, the rascal is a goofy black guy, and the robot is nothing like the other two. It's not a copy but a story arc for the descendants. The bar just reminds you of that.
quote:Here's the first thing I can agree with you 100% on!
This next one could be the best in the lot.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:11 pm to The muffintime
Thanks for covering all my points perfectly. On the Jedi thing, IIRC Vader wasn't a Jedi either. They washed him out of the program.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:33 pm to hogNsinceReagan
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but you want to talk about rehash? "hey let's test the death star by blowing stuff up and sending a message." "We will use the death star to crush the rebellion." "we must stop the death star".... "This time instead of a cantina full of aliens let's use a market square instead."
The gator covered the rest, but as for rehash? See what the Vol posted. The movie's purpose (well, other than to make a ton of money) was to put flesh on the opening scroll of A New Hope. Since it was based on that, we knew there would be a Death Star, lots of rebels would die, and they'd succeed in stealing the plans. Expecting anything different would be akin to watching a movie about WW2 and being surprised the Japanese didn't win. That's not a rehash, first because the story hadn't previously been told and second because telling it was the purpose.
Now, the cantina, really? You're going to compare a scene in a "wretched hive of scum and villany" where one set of heroes use restrained self defense and a second shoots the guy trying to kidnap him to a scene were the HEROES stage a large ambush in a market crowded with civilians?
It isn't the same at all. There's nothing pushing the envelope about a murderer with "the death sentence on us him in 12 systems" getting his budddy's arm chopped off because his mouth wrote a check their arses couldn't cash. But having the heroes ignore the risk to involved civilians right after one of the heroes summarily dispatched an informant because he had become a security risk? Yeah, I want to see the Disney ride that tells that tale. Before Rogue One, the Star Wars morality discussion was about Han shooting first. Rogue One threw that cuteness right out the window - and that's, one reason I really liked it. Insurgencies are REALLY dirty. See the American Revolution, European resistance in WW2, and even what happened in Iraq after the US overthrew Saddam.
ETA - having said all that, I still enjoyed The Force Awakens and agree the second one has huge potential.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:46 pm to JustGetItRight
Kinda similar to Harry Potter series. Dumbledor knew the dangers of following the depths of the dark side. It's mentioned several times in the books knowing both sides of magic and walking the fine line between both was the real mastering of the powers.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:53 pm to JustGetItRight
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Thanks for covering all my points perfectly. On the Jedi thing, IIRC Vader wasn't a Jedi either. They washed him out of the program.
In Knights of the Old Republic it's called exile and **spoiler alert**
it happens to the protagonist in either the first or the second one. If they would have formally exiled Anakin Skywalker it would have made things a lot cleaner but would have been another giant monkey on Vader's back.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 7:21 pm to hogNsinceReagan
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