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Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:44 pm to Stonehog
You are the one that decided they needed to be included into a nonhomogenous discussion in their comparison to gun violence.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:51 pm to Alahunter
I was refuting Roger's claim that Australia's population is homogenous. It's not.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:53 pm to Stonehog
And who you included doesn't fit the argument of gun violence, nor is it comparable to the U.S. demographics in any way.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:54 pm to Alahunter
What country would be a good comparison in your opinion?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:57 pm to Stonehog
What country has a population of around 320 million with around 70 million or so being noncaucasion? That would be a good one to compare to.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:02 pm to Alahunter
The guns in Australia were no different though: they kill, like all guns do. Fact.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:05 pm to Alahunter
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What country has a population of around 320 million with around 70 million or so being noncaucasion? That would be a good one to compare to.
So you don't think America can be compared to other countries for anything? Or just gun violence?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:16 pm to Stonehog
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So you don't think America can be compared to other countries for anything?
Did I say that?
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Or just gun violence?
When social issues come to mind, similarities help when making comparisons. If you want to compare strict numbers, then you should use these...
Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011.
Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.
For both fatal and nonfatal firearm victimizations, the majority of the decline occurred during the 10-year period
from 1993 to 2002.
Firearm violence accounted for about 70% of all homicides and less than 10% of all nonfatal violent crime from 1993 to 2011.
About 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of
nonfatal firearm victimizations were committed with ahandgun from 1993 to 2011.
From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the highest rates of firearm homicide.
In 2007-11, about 23% of victims of nonfatal firearm crime were injured.
About 61% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported to the police in 2007-11.
In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident.
In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm at a flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearm from an illegal source.
And since 1998 when NICS background checks began, there have been over 171 million checks. And that doesn't account for multi gun purchases. Only a single individual per check.
In 2011, there were 16,454,951 background checks and 11,101 firearm related deaths. If EVERY SINGLE FIREARM related death was attributable to a purchase that very year, the percentage would be a .00067% firearm death ratio to gun purchase. If you are more accurate and compare it to a low end estimate of the over 300 million firearms in the U.S. that percentage drops to a ratio of .000037%.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:21 pm to Alahunter
Do you think gun violence is a problem in America?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:28 pm to Stonehog
As a result of citizens owning firearms? No.
Do I think there are huge social nd economic issues that lead to the violence that happens in America? Absolutely.
The problem, is that part isn't addressed and people are afraid to talk about it.
Take the S.C. shooting for example. I stated the week it happened and the flag issue started, that nothing else will be done to address the underlying cause of the shooting. And I was right. Because people would have to face the fact that there are problems with social programs and fear of offending folks are a greater agenda than stopping the violence. And then the next shiny news story happened and it was forgotten.
Do I think there are huge social nd economic issues that lead to the violence that happens in America? Absolutely.
The problem, is that part isn't addressed and people are afraid to talk about it.
Take the S.C. shooting for example. I stated the week it happened and the flag issue started, that nothing else will be done to address the underlying cause of the shooting. And I was right. Because people would have to face the fact that there are problems with social programs and fear of offending folks are a greater agenda than stopping the violence. And then the next shiny news story happened and it was forgotten.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:35 pm to Alahunter
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Do I think there are huge social nd economic issues that lead to the violence that happens in America? Absolutely.
Which social and economic issues are responsible for the violence in your opinion?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:01 pm to Stonehog
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A young black man is nearly five times more likely to be killed by a gun than a young white man and 13 times more than an Asian American man. These numbers, dramatic as they are, actually understate the problem. If a black person is killed by a gun, it is judged a homicide 82 percent of the time. For the broad population, most gun deaths are ruled accidental or the result of suicide; only 34 percent of gun deaths are attributed to murder.
Maybe black males shouldn't be allowed to own firearms? Why should I be punished regarding firearm ownership just because a certain segment of the population can't stop killing themselves?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:04 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Maybe black males shouldn't be allowed to own firearms?
So you're saying the constitution shouldn't apply to black people..
Wow.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:13 pm to Stonehog
No. I'm arguing for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by stating everyone should be allowed to own firearms. However, if you or one of the other freedom hating liberals want to take guns away from people, then you need to take them away from the people that statistically are murdering people with them.
I'm assuming you use the same logic to continue the war on drugs right? Couple of assholes kill someone when whacked out on heroine, cocaine, etc so we must make it illegal?
I'm assuming you use the same logic to continue the war on drugs right? Couple of assholes kill someone when whacked out on heroine, cocaine, etc so we must make it illegal?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:32 pm to Aubie Spr96
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I'm assuming you use the same logic to continue the war on drugs right? Couple of assholes kill someone when whacked out on heroine, cocaine, etc so we must make it illegal?
Cocaine and heroin are already illegal..
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:00 pm to Stonehog
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Which social and economic issues are responsible for the violence in your opinion?
Lack of education, rewarding people for not working, continuing programs aimed to keep people in a cycle of poverty, not placing personal responsibility on failures and acts of violence, blaming past injustices and using them to excuse violence today, fostering class warfare, fostering the feeling of racial inequalities by not holding everyone accountable on the same level...
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:05 pm to Alahunter
Showing your true colors. 
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:20 pm to Alahunter
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Lack of education
Doesn't cause gun violence.
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rewarding people for not working
Doesn't cause gun violence.
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continuing programs aimed to keep people in a cycle of poverty,
Doesn't cause gun violence.
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not placing personal responsibility on failures and acts of violence
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
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blaming past injustices and using them to excuse violence today
No one is excusing violence.
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fostering class warfare, fostering the feeling of racial inequalities by not holding everyone accountable on the same level...
Doesn't cause gun violence.
What else ya got?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:22 pm to Stonehog
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Showing your true colors
How so?
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