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Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:20 am to Rebelgator
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The normal rule of thumb is double whatever the officer said, so 2=4 etc... I doubt it got to 10 though, much less all ten were hits from 35ft.
My general rule of thumb pretty much coincides with yours. My general rule of thumb is everyone lies in a situation like this and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:22 am to sorantable
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Common sense and all. I wish all these police-haters could be shipped off to an island together to live unrestrained by the man.
I haven't seen any police-haters. If anything, some hate the abuse of authority undertaken by a very very very small fraction of police officers.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:24 am to reedus23
It's not so much a lie as your brain under stress. When you run the stress course(full obstacle course, full tac gear, into a dark house with loudass music with popout targets) during training after you exit you immediately write down how many shots you fired. 70% under estimate.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:26 am to the808bass
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We like to believe this. There's really no reason to be completely certain of it.
I disagree, there's plenty of reason.
If we're talking game theory it'd be something like 95 - 5% in favor of "not shooting for any reason".
There's no fricking reason to believe they shot him for nothing.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:28 am to reedus23
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and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There's no fricking reason to believe they shot him for nothing.
I don't think he shot him for no reason, but based on what I've read so far I do think there is a high probability that he grossly overreacted.
I did just read that the FBI is taking over the investigation, which is good. At least the local police won't get to control the narrative and protect their own.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:35 am to The Spleen
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I did just read that the FBI is taking over the investigation, which is good. At least the local police won't get to control the narrative and protect their own.
Your bias is breathtaking.
Shouldn't you say, instead: At least there is a neutral entity that will ensure that neither the police or eyewitnesses will enter partial evidence?
That's what someone who wants the truth rather than a certain side blamed would say.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:37 am to The Spleen
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I did just read that the FBI is taking over the investigation, which is good. At least the local police won't get to control the narrative and protect their own.
Yeah. Ferguson called in STL County PD to investigate and the first they did was hold a joint press conference where they sucked each other off. The County chief recited the Ferguson police officer's statement as gospel truth and then said he was sure Ferguson wasn't hiding anything because they called County in. Then the Ferguson PD said "County will run an unbiased investigation."
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:39 am to the808bass
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Yeah. Ferguson called in STL County PD to investigate and the first they did was hold a joint press conference where they sucked each other off. The County chief recited the Ferguson police officer's statement as gospel truth and then said he was sure Ferguson wasn't hiding anything because they called County in. Then the Ferguson PD said "County will run an unbiased investigation."
Almost sounds like a "move along, nothing to see here, not a smidgen of corruption, Lerner being witch hunt, swift boating".
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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From what I read he had fought with a police officer over his weapon and then proceeded to try and run away.
I don't believe for a minute the boy tried to grab the cops gun. That's the easy reason to justify shooting someone. Oh he tried to grab my gun.lol. That gets played out.
Hell I know some true thugs and they wouldn't even grab a cops gun, unless they want it to be suicide by cop.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:42 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Shouldn't you say, instead: At least there is a neutral entity that will ensure that neither the police or eyewitnesses will enter partial evidence?
Well, that's what I implied, because everyone knows the local police will work feverishly to exonerate their officer and themselves of any wrongdoing.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:47 am to The Spleen
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Well, that's what I implied, because everyone knows the local police will work feverishly to exonerate their officer and themselves of any wrongdoing.
And you don't think black witnesses will do the same for the victim?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias
And you haven't implied shite to say that it could easily go the other way.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:53 am to Rebelgator
Would agree with that RG. I guess it was a post on another thread, I said "lie or are wrong". I should have used that here as well. Whether the eyewitnesses or the cops, they will both lie or be wrong and the truth will be somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And you don't think black witnesses will do the same for the victim?
Absolutely, and I said so in an earlier post. The truth is we'll probably never know what actually happened. Cops will stick to their story that Brown went for the cops gun, and there's no way for them to prove it. Any witnesses will deny that occurred. It's a convenient excuse for the cop because it's such a difficult thing to prove or refute.
And yes, I am biased towards the cops. They're sworn to uphold the Constitution, and I hold them to a higher standard. Shooting an unarmed suspect multiple times seems excessive and should be questioned, especially given the reports he was shot from 35 feet away. Not saying I believe that to be true.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:58 am to The Spleen
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I did just read that the FBI is taking over the investigation, which is good. At least the local police won't get to control the narrative and protect their own.
I will give the Ferguson PD chief (the truly local local PD) credit. He gave the investigation immediately to St. Louis County PD. Removing it one step further to the FBI is probably a good thing as well.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:03 pm to the808bass
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the808bass
As much as anything else, I think the Ferguson chief knew right away how much of a hot potato this was going to be and got rid of it asap. Regardless of his motives for doing so, I think it was right he got rid of it.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And you don't think black witnesses will do the same for the victim?
Yes like saying shot 10 times or 10 shots fired. Damn that cop was on a mission to kill him in broad daylight.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:09 pm to reedus23
Yes. He was smart for getting rid of it. Police have to have a better communication plan. Waiting 24 hours to release any real facts is self-defeating.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:14 pm to The Spleen
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Absolutely, and I said so in an earlier post. The truth is we'll probably never know what actually happened. Cops will stick to their story that Brown went for the cops gun, and there's no way for them to prove it. Any witnesses will deny that occurred. It's a convenient excuse for the cop because it's such a difficult thing to prove or refute.
And yes, I am biased towards the cops. They're sworn to uphold the Constitution, and I hold them to a higher standard. Shooting an unarmed suspect multiple times seems excessive and should be questioned, especially given the reports he was shot from 35 feet away. Not saying I believe that to be true.
That's a pretty shitty area and you can imagine the police officers it attracts aren't much better than the indigenous population reminiscent of Miami in the 80's.
It's probably a war zone 24/7 and as soon as a good officer can attract a better offer somewhere else he's 'outa there before his has badge can hit the ground.
LACSO on the other hand has some of the best of the best and is a prime job even back in 92 when shite hit the fan a totally different scenario...
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