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re: Spinoff thread : The real issue behind the tragedy in South Carolina?
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:18 am to Cheese Grits
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:18 am to Cheese Grits
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Playing the race card is the easy way out for the media but it does little to fix the bigger issue below the surface (mental illness).
Absolute bullshite.
The easy way out is the one you, FOX news and the rest of you use when you attempt to look for any other reason other than race then latch on to it for dear life, because God forbid you acknowledge that RACISM is a gigantic issue in this country.
It isn't a "card" by the way. It's a reality. Just because you don't suffer from it or fear your family or childen will be victim to it doesn't make it any less real. Anytime I see someone refer to direct and blatant RACISM as a "card", I already know the mindset they have.
These racists are getting bolder and more violent. I guess every racist incident FOX news can't tie the victim to any kind of drug/criminal related past will now get the excuse of "mental incapacity".
Even when the so called "mentally incapable" person was cognitive enough to recognize they treated him well, recognize he had no reason to hate them yet still execute CHURCH members because he has a hatred for their skin tone.
No matter how crazy you say he is/was, this incident would have never happened at that Church if they were white.
Keep denying the truth.
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:19 am to YStar
I don't think anyone has tried to justify this behavior, and NOBODY has denied that he's racist.
The fact is, being racist is one thing, being a homicidal racist maniac is another.
NEWSFLASH : Not every white person is racist. In fact, the huge majority are not.
And not every racist is homicidal.
The fact is, being racist is one thing, being a homicidal racist maniac is another.
NEWSFLASH : Not every white person is racist. In fact, the huge majority are not.
And not every racist is homicidal.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:29 am to YStar
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The easy way out is the one you, FOX news and the rest of you use
Please, never lump me into the FOX crowd. Not only is it insulting, but it is incorrect.
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Just because you don't suffer from it or fear your family or childen will be victim to it doesn't make it any less real.
You are an idiot. Historically our family tree is pretty well blended and I am not the 1% of the 1% who pipeline from the cradle to the Ivy League in one assured motion while never having to leave the confines of the upper east coast.
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Keep denying the truth.
Keep denying a response to my question on your involvement with mental illness or law enforcement. Also, did you march with me back in the day for civil rights? You still have not indicated your personal history or experience.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:34 am to Vols&Shaft83
Have an up vote for that post!
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:37 am to Cheese Grits
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Please, never lump me into the FOX crowd. Not only is it insulting, but it is incorrect.
You are sharing their talking point (hey everybody, don't focus on the racist aspect!). So the shoe fits in that context.
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You are an idiot.
Actually you are. If you aren't going to actually address my point and just want to throw out weak insults? Then get lost.
I won't bother responding again. I do not care about your stories or whatever thing you feels give you some kind of "right" to minimize or marginalize the biggest issue at hand; which is in fact racism.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:39 am to Montezuma
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We should include all the knockout game punks to the mental health list.
Thank you. People say they are just thugs, they are born criminals, they know better. They have no mental illness. To me you have to be mentally ill to just run up to people and punch them, then take off.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:40 am to Vols&Shaft83
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NEWSFLASH : Not every white person is racist. In fact, the huge majority are not.
Did I say every white person is racist?
Why are you defensive, using this as a defensive tactic, when I never made such an assessment?
The issue here isn't the justification; it's the attempt to deny, evade or reduce the reality that it is RACISM which is the real and biggest issue.
It is like whenever someone makes an assessment that racism is a major factor you guys come out the woodwork in denial, attempting to evade the fact racism is a serious issue in this country or attempting to point at other factors in to reduce the role racism played.
^^^That is the problem.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:47 am to YStar
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RACISM which is the real and biggest issue.
I'm pretty sure mental illness is the biggest issue. I can find you 199,9999 racists and not one of them would kill 9 people in a church.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:47 am to YStar
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You are sharing their talking point
Their talking point is to not address real issues but to drive ratings. I do not see FOX calling for a national mental health congress to address issues left festering sine the 70's. Sadly, I wish mental health issues were a ratings bonanza because maybe we could actually use the exposure to address core issues and current flaws.
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I won't bother responding again.
Weak cop out from somebody evading their real life experience or motives. Discussion and debate forces issues but you seem to be in the complain and run group. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:51 am to YStar
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I guess every racist incident FOX news can't tie the victim to any kind of drug/criminal related past will now get the excuse of "mental incapacity".
I've never heard the mental illness excuse used for minorities. The racist will say "they have no mental illness, they are born criminals, it's in their DNA"....I've actually seen that on a message board.lol. I mean they are on drugs like prozac, adderall, trazodone, alcoholics(one on every corner in the hood). Then those kids get hooked on those drugs. People in the hood are also popping pills just like that boy that murdered the church people. He's not the only one that got into trouble for pills, drugs, etc.
Someone link me a site to wear the mental illness excuse was used for a thug when he committed a crime.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:54 am to Sellecks Moustache
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I can find you 199,9999 racists and not one of them would kill 9 people in a church.
Back in the day they would do it boldly. Today they know the govt and law would crack down on them. It's more out of fear of getting caught or blacks fighting back now. So all those people that firebomb churches, burned churches, homes, etc back during the civil rights era were mentally ill???
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:57 am to bayou2003
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Thank you. People say they are just thugs, they are born criminals, they know better. They have no mental illness. To me you have to be mentally ill to just run up to people and punch them, then take off.
Sometimes the crusty old dude in the neighborhood has the last say
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 12:01 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Not every white person is racist.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 12:02 pm to Cheese Grits
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Sometimes the crusty old dude in the neighborhood has the last say
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wow that's crazy.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 12:25 pm to bayou2003
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I've never heard the mental illness excuse used for minorities. The racist will say "they have no mental illness, they are born criminals, it's in their DNA"....I've actually seen that on a message board.lol. I mean they are on drugs like prozac, adderall, trazodone, alcoholics(one on every corner in the hood). Then those kids get hooked on those drugs. People in the hood are also popping pills just like that boy that murdered the church people. He's not the only one that got into trouble for pills, drugs, etc.
Someone link me a site to wear the mental illness excuse was used for a thug when he committed a crime.
Exactly.
When it is minorities they are either claimed to be born that way or they are villiainzied using their past.
When it is a racist killing, it now needs to be explained using ulterior motive or explanations because God forbid these people admit racism is a big issue.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:11 pm to YStar
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When it is a racist killing, it now needs to be explained using ulterior motive or explanations because God forbid these people admit racism is a big issue.
I don't see anyone saying racism isn't a big issue. But you can be racist and mentally ill. Just like you can be a gangbanger and mentally ill. Just because you choose not to read/see the discussion over violence in neighborhoods (especially the debate of can addressing mental health reduce gun violence, there are several article on that) and declining mental health care doesn't mean it wasn't talked about before this issue.
And the "oh it's only being discussed because he's white" is as detrimental to the discussion as anything else. You're just sweeping it under a rug while claiming someone can only be racist, not mentally ill.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:23 pm to Cheese Grits
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Getting back on topic…
Another Sleeping Tiger.
How is quoting other mass shooters with mental problems (I'm the one who brought up our mental institutions in the other thread) not relative to a thread regarding mental issues?
He said he had never heard of a paranoid schizophrenic on or off meds saying the same types of things, I provided at least four lucid examples of it happening.
Not only that, I think aside from three, the rest were not in therapy in spite of probable undiagnosed schizophrenia.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Okay I think we all understand black folks are firmly in the "RACISM" is responsible camp.
So one White Racist killed 9 black people because he is racist, America is racist etc. Point conceded.
How do black people, or do blacks even care, about...
- The out right genocide of black babies at the hands of black mothers? Last year NY State had a negative black birth rate because more black babies were aborted than live birth?
- The hundreds of blacks who have been murdred at the hands of other blacks this year in Chicago alone? To say nothing of Detroit, Gary, Houston, Miami, Baltimore, Newport News, etc etc etc.
- Interracial crime in America is so heavily Black against White the shooting in Charelston doesn't even make a statistical difference.
- Do blacks care about objective truth or have they just nailed their knees to #handsupdontshoot & #blacklivesnatter despite all evidence to the contrary specifically in their own neighborhoods.
In closing, White America is truly vexed by the above.
So one White Racist killed 9 black people because he is racist, America is racist etc. Point conceded.
How do black people, or do blacks even care, about...
- The out right genocide of black babies at the hands of black mothers? Last year NY State had a negative black birth rate because more black babies were aborted than live birth?
- The hundreds of blacks who have been murdred at the hands of other blacks this year in Chicago alone? To say nothing of Detroit, Gary, Houston, Miami, Baltimore, Newport News, etc etc etc.
- Interracial crime in America is so heavily Black against White the shooting in Charelston doesn't even make a statistical difference.
- Do blacks care about objective truth or have they just nailed their knees to #handsupdontshoot & #blacklivesnatter despite all evidence to the contrary specifically in their own neighborhoods.
In closing, White America is truly vexed by the above.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:55 pm to Tropic Lightning
You absolutely nailed it man. I mean shame on the white kid who done this shite. Most white people will gladly be in favor of the death penalty in this case but make no mistake, the majority of hate crimes and deaths stemming from racist are committed by black people.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 2:00 pm to YStar
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Spare me the fluff. The real issue is RACISM and how America tries to brush it aside or mock the idea of it when it is a gigantic reality.
The reality is race is much less of an issue than the media portrays it to be. Anytime anything happens to any black person by a white person, there seems to be an influx of media attention that otherwise wouldn't happen. This is not the case for this one, because we finally have one with a clear cut racist motivation (aside from the obvious mental health problems).
Seven cops beat white man viciously. Almost no media attention.
Unarmed white man shot and killed in Michigan, no media attention.
Cops kill unarmed white man, no media coverage.
Taking the race bait, hook, line and sinker. It happens to every race, it just never gets reported until it happens to a black person because that's what starts threads, gets clicks and causes people to react violently.
The Health Care problem is extensive, and we are lightyears behind other countries regarding it. We're just made to believe that the race problem is worse than it is.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 2:01 pm
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