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re: POLL: Will the US default?
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:17 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:17 am to heartbreakTiger
I still say folding is your only move at this point. If they were folding on a hand they could win, I'd understand the right wing outrage more.
Just goes to prove the right is just interested in fighting at any cost. The Dems can sit back and got give an inch because they have the high ground. Then you get the added benefit of pissing off conservatives and goading them into stupid fights on the Dems terms. Fighting over everything just plays into Obama Co.'s hand imo.
ETA: Putin can be Putin because he has a much stronger position and he's a badass.
Just goes to prove the right is just interested in fighting at any cost. The Dems can sit back and got give an inch because they have the high ground. Then you get the added benefit of pissing off conservatives and goading them into stupid fights on the Dems terms. Fighting over everything just plays into Obama Co.'s hand imo.
ETA: Putin can be Putin because he has a much stronger position and he's a badass.
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:45 am to Supravol22
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Will the US default?
no
Posted on 10/16/13 at 11:06 am to Duke
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I still say folding is your only move at this point. If they were folding on a hand they could win, I'd understand the right wing outrage more
They've folded on every single issue since Obama has been President. I cannot think of a single issue, they didn't capitulate to the wishes of Obama and Reid, can you? This is a battle they could have forced concessions on. I blame the moderate R's for the failure. They have allowed themselves to be a rubber stamp for the Dem's and are fighting and ignoring the growing conservative movement in their own party. They need to be working more closely with Cruz, Rand and others, rather than fight and publicly criticize them, because they fear losing establishment control. Without the Tea Party individuals, there is practically no difference at all between Dem and Rep's at this point.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 11:49 am to Alahunter
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They've folded on every single issue since Obama has been President. I cannot think of a single issue, they didn't capitulate to the wishes of Obama and Reid, can you? This is a battle they could have forced concessions on. I blame the moderate R's for the failure. They have allowed themselves to be a rubber stamp for the Dem's and are fighting and ignoring the growing conservative movement in their own party. They need to be working more closely with Cruz, Rand and others, rather than fight and publicly criticize them, because they fear losing establishment control. Without the Tea Party individuals, there is practically no difference at all between Dem and Rep's at this point.
You can't be serious.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 11:59 am to TeLeFaWx
Where do so called moderate R's and Dem's differ politically and vote wise over the last few yrs?
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:24 pm to Alahunter
What exactly were they fighting for? I know it started on Obamacare, but the majority of Obamacare is funded through permanent appropriations so any funding they would/could have withheld wasn't much. They quickly abandoned that fight, and moved to trumpeting to anyone that would listen that the US wouldn't default if the debt ceiling wasn't raised. This despite every financial expert warning of the economic catastrophe that would occur if the debt ceiling wasn't raised. They had absolutely no leg to stand on in the debate, and it was evident from the start. Reid and Obama knew it, which is why they dug in and held strong. The irony is they may have lost any leg they may have had in the utter failure of the ACA rollout so far.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:25 pm to The Spleen
There would have been no default. Why does leftists keep thinking there would have been?
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:27 pm to Duke
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They fight like they do because that is the Tea Party's level of anger on everything. In their position, you must pick your battles wisely. I think the problem is they are so angry at Obama and the libs, they just want to throw punches. It's not a productive method of getting anything done.
They need a dose of practicality in the worst way
This is dead on. 100% correct.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:28 pm to Alahunter
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There would have been no default. Why does leftists keep thinking there would have been?
Dude it is not leftists. It is everyone will a brain. If the debt ceiling is not raised in the next month or so the U.S. would not be able to pay its bills. It is that simple.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:31 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
The Tea party's biggest problem, is the moderate Republican's have capitulated and given in to Dem's on every issue that's come before them, and have allowed terrible policy to sink the country further in debt. They've also allowed focus to be lost on the multiple scandals that Obama is responsible for, including the mass murders he's responsible for as a result of his gun control effort program, Fast and Furious. They've allowed him to continue to divide the country with racism, class warfare and social/economic immoral policies, voting with him in many instances. I don't think I've ever seen an administration, as racist, socialist and arrogant, as this one.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:31 pm to Alahunter
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There would have been no default. Why does leftists keep thinking there would have been?
I have no idea if we would have defaulted. Nobody does as we've never been faced with that problem. I do know, as every financial expert has warned, not raising the debt limit would have been catastrophic to an already struggling economy.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:32 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Dude it is not leftists. It is everyone will a brain. If the debt ceiling is not raised in the next month or so the U.S. would not be able to pay its bills. It is that simple.
Dude, that's why cuts need to be made, instead of borrowing money from China, to pay off money borrowed from China. It's that simple. Continuing to throw money at failed policies is ridiculous, and the debt would have been paid.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:33 pm to The Spleen
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I do know, as every financial expert has warned, not raising the debt limit would have been catastrophic to an already struggling economy.
Not true. Those paraded in front of MSNBC and mainstream networks, yes.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:36 pm to Alahunter
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The Tea party's biggest problem, is the moderate Republican's have capitulated and given in to Dem's on every issue that's come before them, and have allowed terrible policy to sink the country further in debt
I disagree. The TP's biggest problem is taking ideological stances and picking fights in which they have no leverage. They do not have the votes right now to push forward their agenda. Yet they try and are willing to go to harmful extremes like the shut down and debt ceiling. It makes them look like lunatics to MOST people. They are seriously hurting the entire GOP party as a whole and that is not even debateable.
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have allowed terrible policy to sink the country further in debt.
What policies? And don't say Obamacare because that just started. Exactly what fiscal policies have the Dems put forward that the TP has capitulated on?
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They've also allowed focus to be lost on the multiple scandals that Obama is responsible for, including the mass murders he's responsible for as a result of his gun control effort program, Fast and Furious.
Ok, I have a feeling you are not reasonable regarding Obama and just a looney tune in this reagard. quote:
They've allowed him to continue to divide the country with racism, class warfare and social/economic immoral policies, voting with him in many instances. I don't think I've ever seen an administration, as racist, socialist and arrogant, as this one.
Yep. Conversing with you will not be productive.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:38 pm to Alahunter
Oh, you're just a Limbaugh/Fox News talking point discussion board bot. Cool. Good luck with that.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:38 pm to Alahunter
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Not true. Those paraded in front of MSNBC and mainstream networks, yes.
Wow. You think not raising the debt ceiling is a good idea I take it. I don't know what to say to that.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:40 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I disagree
naturally. Living in a liberal area, I'm not surprised.
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Exactly what fiscal policies have the Dems put forward that the TP has capitulated on?
I said moderates, not TP. Moderate R's have sided with Dem's on every issue that I can think of.
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Obama and just a looney tune in this reagard
If you think I'm mistaken, please correct me. There have been several mass murders used with the guns that Obama's administration authorized to be sold to known cartel members.
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Conversing with you will not be productive.
Because you cannot deny that his actions are what I said. Obama has Updyked the U.S.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:41 pm to The Spleen
Bloomberg Business week said a default wouldn't necessarily be catastrophic. It would depend on the length of it. You're the one making blanket statements. I know we disagree on many political agendas, I think I know why.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:43 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I think forcing Dem's to compromise and using the debt ceiling was an opportunity for real and productive change. I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:58 pm to Alahunter
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I think forcing Dem's to compromise and using the debt ceiling was an opportunity for real and productive change. I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.
Well, I will remain civil here as you have. You know me well enough to know I was getting a bit agitated I think.
First, I disagree with the use of the word compromise here. It would appear the Dems ending up being the ones getting some concessions out of the GOP regarding the sequester. I do not like that either. I feel that the CR and debt ceiling are not the proper venue to try to get concessions from each other but I understand why it happens. IMO, if the TP was serious about anything they claim to stand for, they would champion some bill that reforms entitlements. Since they have put forth nothing at all in regards to entitlement reform the entire time they have been in Congress (no plan, nothing at all), I cannot take them seriously. Fiscal responsibility is their #1 priority according to them. Yet they have no plan at all but no problem being extremely outspoken about everything BUT the one thing that actually matters. They are a fraud until proven otherwise.
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I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.
They had no choice from the start. It was politically the dumbest strategy I have ever seen in my life. All they accomplished was losing sequester cuts and making it more likely they lose congressional seats held by more moderate repubs in more moderate districts as this entire debacle has given the GOP a black eye as a whole where it matters. Not the conservative TP districts, but the ones that could swing either way in future elections.
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