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Posted on 10/16/13 at 7:56 am to Supravol22
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POLL: Will the US default?
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Is our government really that inept?
Yes
Posted on 10/16/13 at 8:02 am to SpartyGator
The American people have given that immature government teenager a platinum credit card and sent it off into the world expecting it to be responsible with it.
We are just now receiving the pizza/booze party and strip club bills in the mail.
We are just now receiving the pizza/booze party and strip club bills in the mail.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 8:37 am to deltaland
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No because even if we hit our debt ceiling we won't default. We bring in enough tax revenue to meet our obligations...it would just force 25% spending cuts across the board.
Experts are estimating that with tax-revenue alone, we'd only have enough income to pay our obligations through sometime in November, at which point we'd default.
If you really think we won't default, ask yourself, why do we have to keep taking on more debt? We are a finite people taking on infinite debt.
That should scare the shite out of you.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 8:57 am to PrivatePublic
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We are a finite people taking on infinite debt.
How are we as a population finite and how is the debt "infinite"?
To the OP: Of course we're not going to default. You know what makes it hard to get re-elected? Crashing the world economy because you want to win some stupid political fight. Yes Obama can't get re-elected, but if he allows a default the history books won't be kind. His ego couldn't take that.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:04 am to Duke
Well, looks like Boehner is bringing the Senate CR bill to the floor for vote, and has the votes to pass it, so no we won't default this time. Still a lot of negotiating left to do on the budget, but for now it appears we're kicking the can down the road again.
What an epic fail by the House GOP. Whether you agreed with them or not, not having a clear concise strategy on this was just sophomoric.
What an epic fail by the House GOP. Whether you agreed with them or not, not having a clear concise strategy on this was just sophomoric.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:09 am to Duke
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How are we as a population finite and how is the debt "infinite"?
As a population, we are bounded by land and resources. Birth rates are on a major decline, and if not for immigration, our population would actually be declining the last few years.
And our debt is infinite because it has no limit (we keep raising it)
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:11 am to The Spleen
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Still a lot of negotiating left to do on the budget, but for now it appears we're kicking the can down the road again.
It is Boehner's only move. The GOP needs time to regroup before the next budget battle.
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not having a clear concise strategy on this was just sophomoric.
No shite huh? It's hard to negotiate when your side isn't even sure what it wants. I'm sure Boehner and McConnell had planned this out differently, and then a wrench named Cruz was thrown into the works. It's funny, because this was a good chance to force some spending cuts in a debt ceiling debate/shutdown. Going in early lost them all their leverage. You have to retreat now and enter the next debt ceiling battle still recovering from this mess.
The Pub base has loved the principled fight, but they lost an opportunity to get spending cuts and gave the inept rollout of the ACA cover with the media fixated on the shutdown. Well played.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:14 am to PrivatePublic
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As a population, we are bounded by land and resources. Birth rates are on a major decline, and if not for immigration, our population would actually be declining the last few years.
Of course I understand that. We have immigrants though. We are still the biggest economy in the world. There's plenty of potential for growth out there. Of course there is a limit to the population we can support, but I don't believe we're there yet. (Yes though, finite is by definition true)
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And our debt is infinite because it has no limit (we keep raising it)
It has a limit. Sure it's about the time we can't pay it off and default, but there is a limit to how high it can go. (I love semantics)
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:14 am to Supravol22
A ‘pure act of idiocy’: Warren Buffett slams politicians over debt ceiling crisis
Warren Buffett: It would be 'asinine' if US defaults
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Warren Buffett: It would be 'asinine' if US defaults
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:17 am to Duke
it being his only move is because he has been such a spineless cry baby in the past. if he was tougher than he would have a better position against the dems but he is just a puppet for them and not even close to a political match for obama and reid. the top republicans are all garbage and basically puppets for obama. The republican plan of attack is pathetic. The ideas are closer to being right than the democrats but they have no way of articulating why the idea works.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:29 am to heartbreakTiger
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it being his only move is because he has been such a spineless cry baby in the past.
You can't fight everything. He's got a Dem controlled Senate and a Dem in the WH. Can't just make a principled stand every time something is up for negotiation. The GOP would never get anything they wanted.
It was his only move because the charge happened too early with no plan in place to deal with the fallout. This is the wise move. You have to cut your losses at some point. Back up, regroup, and then engage in a fight you can actually get some wins in.
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The ideas are closer to being right than the democrats
I tend to agree on the budget side of things. That's why this stupid shutdown has me annoyed. Could have gotten something in a fight over the debt ceiling and instead had to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to end the shutdown.
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they have no way of articulating why the idea works.
They have bad spokesmen. It's hard to take the Tea Party's hardline message seriously. Then you have the crazies get on the Fox News and push a hardline agenda that comes across as callous toward those in need and impractically simple in the talking points being parroted. They care more about getting the Tea Party in "ra ra!!!" mode than putting forth a message the average person can get behind.
It turns me off, and I'm in the demographic the GOP could actually pick up.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:34 am to Duke
quote:exactly, fox news only makes the problem worse because they either have a crazy that is complete dog shite or they bring out mccain who is complete dog shite the other way because he is really the same as obama.
They have bad spokesmen. It's hard to take the Tea Party's hardline message seriously. Then you have the crazies get on the Fox News and push a hardline agenda that comes across as callous toward those in need and impractically simple in the talking points being parroted. They care more about getting the Tea Party in "ra ra!!!" mode than putting forth a message the average person can get behind.
It turns me off, and I'm in the demographic the GOP could actually pick up.
fox started to give rand more air time but i haven't seen him on lately.
hopefully one day the gop will learn how to actually get a message out.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:35 am to Duke
i just dont like boehner because he is a weak cry baby. i agree though you can't fight everything and i think that is part of the republican party. They fight every single issue with the same type of anger level.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:47 am to Supravol22
There is a 0 percent chance we default and we do not even need to raise the debt ceiling to prevent it.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:50 am to heartbreakTiger
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i just dont like boehner because he is a weak cry baby. i agree though you can't fight everything and i think that is part of the republican party. They fight every single issue with the same type of anger level.
Boehner is just like every other politician. He's more interested in protecting his seat than doing what he thinks is best. The Tea Party representatives ran on opposing anything and everything Obama supported, and that's what they have done since being elected. Anytime Boehner has attempted to challenge them, they threaten him and any other Republican they'll smear his/her in his/her district during the primaries. It's a real threat because of all the money flowing into the Tea Party. That money is pretty much how Cruz won his runoff election. I forget the specifics, but the runoff vote was delayed for some reason, and during the delay the Tea Party funneled a bunch of money into his campaign.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:50 am to heartbreakTiger
We won't default bohner caves for nothing at all because he is a vag and puppet
Yup. You can always count on the GOP to fold their hand even when they hold all the cards.
Yup. You can always count on the GOP to fold their hand even when they hold all the cards.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:54 am to heartbreakTiger
They fight like they do because that is the Tea Party's level of anger on everything. In their position, you must pick your battles wisely. I think the problem is they are so angry at Obama and the libs, they just want to throw punches. It's not a productive method of getting anything done.
They need a dose of practicality in the worst way.
They need a dose of practicality in the worst way.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:58 am to SoFla Tideroller
any bit of negative press no matter how far out from a election causes the gop to fold like a cheap chair.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:04 am to Duke
I wonder what it feels like to wake up every day as mccain, mittens and boehner to realize that a man wearing mom jeans and wearing a helmet to ride a bike continually goes in dry on them politically?
at least if they were being beaten politically but putin they could say the man rides bears without a shirt or helmet.
at least if they were being beaten politically but putin they could say the man rides bears without a shirt or helmet.
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