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Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:30 pm to beejon
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Just feed the anti Christian rhetoric, right?
Yup.
I won't be satisfied until we're all engaging in blood orgies in the streets.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:30 pm to Duke
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Yup.
Okeedokee.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:30 pm to Duke
I wasn't trying to feed it. Just to quench it's thirst.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:53 pm to beejon
God has apparently told several mothers to kill their children. And they have done it.
Thanks Obama, I mean God.
Thanks Obama, I mean God.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:11 pm to beejon
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Of course God cares about His children and He speaks to them. That's the basis for the Father-Son interaction throughout scripture.
If you're a Christian and you don't think God speaks to you then you have a poor relationship with your heavenly Father.
Ok, without getting into too much detail, God never, and I mean never, specifically instructs anyone in the Bible to do anything that financially benefits them. His personal instruction almost always entail giving up basically everything you have and becoming a poverty stricken prophet. Trying out for the Seattle Seahawks as a football player ? What happened to the days of camels and eyes of needles? Unless the tail end of that spiritual email was to 'give all your earnings to charity', I will certainly mock, because it cheapens actual life altering sacrifices like those of Sam Childers.
Honestly, the whole schtick modern American Christianity has going of 'drive by' faith is repulsive. Thinly veiled 'mission trips' of highschool and college kids going on a free vacation to France, spending the weekend 'converting' and then leaving whoever was impressionable enough to listen to them to their own endeavours. That's a good example.
God doesn't care if you are rich or who you work for. If he did, I've never seen it. The Lord is terrible and fearsome in his might, and yes, most likely wants to have a relationship with individual humans. I'm extremely thankful for that. But my own personal financial success and creature comforts, or whether I choose a red car or blue car, are absolutely inconsequential as to the salvation of my soul or anyone elses. I don't interpret 'feelings' as 'messages from God'. When God wants to tell people something, a freaking angel of the Lord comes down and beats it into them; God does not beat around the proverbial burning bush. I'm thankful I haven't gotten a message from God, because as St. Augustine said: "Lord give me chastity, but do not give it yet." It would probably end with me wearing a burlap bag and standing outside the whitehouse screaming about impending doom, which is the modern equivalent of what MANY of the prophets got to have as a life.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:17 pm to Duke
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I won't be satisfied until we're all engaging in blood orgies in the streets.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:22 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Where in the world do you find some of gifs you post?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:33 pm to cokebottleag
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Ok, without getting into too much detail, God never, and I mean never, specifically instructs anyone in the Bible to do anything that financially benefits them. His personal instruction almost always entail giving up basically everything you have and becoming a poverty stricken prophet. Trying out for the Seattle Seahawks as a football player ? What happened to the days of camels and eyes of needles? Unless the tail end of that spiritual email was to 'give all your earnings to charity', I will certainly mock, because it cheapens actual life altering sacrifices like those of Sam Childers.
Honestly, the whole schtick modern American Christianity has going of 'drive by' faith is repulsive. Thinly veiled 'mission trips' of highschool and college kids going on a free vacation to France, spending the weekend 'converting' and then leaving whoever was impressionable enough to listen to them to their own endeavours. That's a good example.
God doesn't care if you are rich or who you work for. If he did, I've never seen it. The Lord is terrible and fearsome in his might, and yes, most likely wants to have a relationship with individual humans. I'm extremely thankful for that. But my own personal financial success and creature comforts, or whether I choose a red car or blue car, are absolutely inconsequential as to the salvation of my soul or anyone elses. I don't interpret 'feelings' as 'messages from God'. When God wants to tell people something, a freaking angel of the Lord comes down and beats it into them; God does not beat around the proverbial burning bush. I'm thankful I haven't gotten a message from God, because as St. Augustine said: "Lord give me chastity, but do not give it yet." It would probably end with me wearing a burlap bag and standing outside the whitehouse screaming about impending doom, which is the modern equivalent of what MANY of the prophets got to have as a life.
I agree with much of your post, but God does speak to people to instruct them to go here, go there, do this, do that. God speaks by angels, but He also (mostly) speaks directly to us through His Spirit. It's a personal relationship with Him, not a relationship by proxy. We are His children, He's our Father, Jesus is our brother and the Spirit of God dwells within us.
You're trying to make this a money thing when it's not about money, it's about His will for us. He will speak that will to His children if they would only listen.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:42 pm to AUnite
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Where in the world do you find some of gifs you post?
it's a gif(t)
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:58 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:10 pm to MIZ_COU
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God has apparently told several mothers to kill their children.
God apparently has also killed a lot of children himself.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:11 pm to The Spleen
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God apparently has also killed a lot of children himself.
I assume you're actively against abortion?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:35 pm to beejon
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I assume you're actively against abortion?
I am against abortion, yes.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:42 pm to The Spleen
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I am against abortion, yes.
Really? You?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:47 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Really? You?
Yep. I'm not that militant about it, and don't agree with the way the pro-life crowd goes about challenging it, but I am against it.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:53 pm to The Spleen
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Yep. I'm not that militant about it, and don't agree with the way the pro-life crowd goes about challenging it, but I am against it.
We've entered a strange place Spleen. Me the Christian/Theist not giving a frick one way or the other about abortion, and you the Agnostic/Atheist being against it.
I'm just curious what the non-pro-life crowd's reason would be for being against it. Not trying to flame, I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
First, I'm not sure I'm Atheist nor Agnostic. I reject the Christian, Biblical version of God, but I do believe there is some form of a higher power. Just not sure in what form.
When I say I'm not pro-life, it's more about not wanting to be lumped in with the ardent pro-lifers. The ones that demonstrate at abortion clinics and harass the workers and patients there. I ain't about that. I think a surgical procedure to remove a potential life from a woman's body as morally wrong. I don't necessarily consider it murder, but to me it's just wrong, and not something I would ever consider if I were party to an unwanted pregnancy. But again, it's not an issue I'm all that passionate about. If that's the option a woman wants to take, I don't feel it's my right to tell her she's wrong for doing it as it is legal in this country.
When I say I'm not pro-life, it's more about not wanting to be lumped in with the ardent pro-lifers. The ones that demonstrate at abortion clinics and harass the workers and patients there. I ain't about that. I think a surgical procedure to remove a potential life from a woman's body as morally wrong. I don't necessarily consider it murder, but to me it's just wrong, and not something I would ever consider if I were party to an unwanted pregnancy. But again, it's not an issue I'm all that passionate about. If that's the option a woman wants to take, I don't feel it's my right to tell her she's wrong for doing it as it is legal in this country.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I'm just curious what the non-pro-life crowd's reason would be for being against it. Not trying to flame, I'm genuinely curious.
The reason is that I'm pro-life is that I view mothers killing their children because they don't want them is wrong.
Now, the response is usually to point out that God killed and ordered others to kill men, women, children, infants, livestock...everything. This seems to be a conundrum, Christians being against mothers killing their babies by the millions (i'm sure it's billions by now) but accepting the stories of killing in the bible.
The issue is not understanding why the order was given by God, why the action occurred. The biblical fact is that there were peoples in the bible who were of the evil one, the deceiver. The teaching isn't for a forum such as this, especially if you're not a believer. If you don't believe in the God of the bible then the stories can't be explained to the unbeliever's satisfaction.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:51 pm to Duke
So this is an abortion thread now?
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