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Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:13 pm to Stir of Echoes
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It's ironic that the same people that line the pockets of the American conservative base via PAC's, are the same people that ship jobs overseas to a communist country.
At the same time spending money to tell us all that we're on the path to a socialist left wing communist dictatorship.
I think you get the big picture pretty well. It amazes me to find folks who are Democrats or Republicans because their parents were yet neither party today stands for what it stood for in previous generations.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:16 pm to Kentucker
Right to Work laws are completely fair to me.
I see no reason for a person to be required to join a union. In fact, hopefully, Right to Work laws help spur Union membership by allowing non-Union members to see why a union is good for them as opposed to being forced to join without the proper purview.
Forcing someone to do something is not the American way.
ETA: Shiity non-Union iOS 8 keyboard problems. Why oh why did I upgrade?
I see no reason for a person to be required to join a union. In fact, hopefully, Right to Work laws help spur Union membership by allowing non-Union members to see why a union is good for them as opposed to being forced to join without the proper purview.
Forcing someone to do something is not the American way.
ETA: Shiity non-Union iOS 8 keyboard problems. Why oh why did I upgrade?
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:33 pm to Stir of Echoes
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Genius is the reason I'm typing on an iPad.
Greed is why it's built in China.
Who's greed though? They are still engineered in the states. Engineers aren't unionized, but manufacturing is.
Look, it's not greed that makes it necessary to build overseas, it's the market for unskilled or low skilled labor. Low skilled labor is worth a lot less in the global marketplace, that's just a fact. Why should companies pay a premium for labor when they can get it at a much cheaper price?
The whole argument that "they are destroying their consumer base by shipping jobs overseas!" Was true 20 years ago, but with a China and India and all the other growing economies out there, that isn't the case now. The consumer base is world wide now. Americans no longer get to demand a premium for labor. The only thing we still have an advance on is educated, highly skilled labor, and that's a shrinking one.
We have to learn to compete for jobs with China, India, Brazil, Vietnam, and everyone else. We compete or we die, that's the endgame in a balanced world economy. Free trade and waking up to the new normal of competition is the only thing that will keep us in the game.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:40 pm to Stir of Echoes
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Greed is the reason you're typing on a computer.
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Genius is the reason I'm typing on an iPad.
Greed is why it's built in China
Very well said.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:42 pm to cokebottleag
How do we compete?
Do we lower our standard of living in the name of manufacturing jobs?
To answer your question, it's our greed, each and everyone of us. Consumerist greed.
I'm guilty, you're guilty, we're all guilty.
Ironic that the very thing we've championed against for generations has become the breadbasket for American consumerism. No?
Their lack of concern for their people has opened an entire group of starved, uneducated people to slave labor and unfair wages.
The key is their commitment to keep their masses poor and uneducated. They have a bone to nibble on now, that should keep them quiet for a little longer.
Can't have people like this guy out there asking why...
Do we lower our standard of living in the name of manufacturing jobs?
To answer your question, it's our greed, each and everyone of us. Consumerist greed.
I'm guilty, you're guilty, we're all guilty.
Ironic that the very thing we've championed against for generations has become the breadbasket for American consumerism. No?
Their lack of concern for their people has opened an entire group of starved, uneducated people to slave labor and unfair wages.
The key is their commitment to keep their masses poor and uneducated. They have a bone to nibble on now, that should keep them quiet for a little longer.
Can't have people like this guy out there asking why...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:43 pm to Stir of Echoes
When they were formed they were needed and they did a lot of good, now they do more harm than good. Just my $.02
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:49 pm to Stir of Echoes
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Right to Work laws are completely fair to me.
I can't understand why we tolerate government being the bully for unions. If the members of a union don't have the leverage, based on the demand for their skills, to bargain with a business then the government should not be allowed to force the company to the bargaining table.
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ETA: Shiity non-Union iOS 8 keyboard problems. Why oh why did I upgrade?
I just know Apple will distribute a fix for this shitty software shortly. I just know it.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:57 pm to Stir of Echoes
Unions should be outlawed within our Federal government.
Federal government workers, other than the militsry, should all be fired and then we startover. Federal government workers are nothing more that overpaid welfare recipient leeches.
Unions were purposeful and even good at one time. Now they are not.
Unionism is just another word for socialism and communism.
Federal government workers, other than the militsry, should all be fired and then we startover. Federal government workers are nothing more that overpaid welfare recipient leeches.
Unions were purposeful and even good at one time. Now they are not.
Unionism is just another word for socialism and communism.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:02 pm to cokebottleag
Your point is well stated .... if we're talking about the globalization of capital markets.
Not sure it applies to this discussion.
How do you justify the loss of profits due to intellectual property theft in said markets?
Not sure it applies to this discussion.
How do you justify the loss of profits due to intellectual property theft in said markets?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:03 pm to scrooster
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Unionism is just another word for socialism and communism.
I would go so far as to say government backed unions amount to thievery.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:06 pm to Kentucker
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I would go so far as to say government amounts to thievery.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:08 pm to HempHead
Nice.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:11 pm to scrooster
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Federal government workers, other than the militsry, should all be fired and then we startover. Federal government workers are nothing more that overpaid welfare recipient leeches.
SO, the fact that I have the very rare ability to ensure the safety of a dickhead like you while you travel in an airplane moving at 600 mph along side numerous other aircraft flying at similar speeds means that I'm an overpaid welfare recipient?
I've served this country in one capacity or another for almost 20 years, and I respect your right to dick things up. However, the next time you lump all government workers into one giant shite stew, take a sip of said shite stew and then rethink things.
We're not all bureaucrats. 90% of us serve for the American people, people like you who spit on our very service to ensure you can have the infrastructure you demand.
If you don't like it go to hell sir. See if you can fly safely there.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:11 pm to Stir of Echoes
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Greed is the reason you're typing on a computer.
Genius is the reason I'm typing on an iPad.
Greed is why it's built in China.
Which greed caused it to be built in China?
The government taxing the company, the income tax the company has to pay on the worker's salary, low skilled workers and unions asking for more money than they are worth in a global market, the government regulations put in place to produce, the ACA, shareholders demanding more profits, the consumer wanting the product at a lower price?
Seems like there's a lot of blame to go around for jobs shifting overseas.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:26 pm to 3nOut
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Which greed caused it to be built in China?
The answer is out there.
Floating above your post.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:32 pm to Stir of Echoes
Pretty sure it's in mine. But point the finger at the rich people if it makes you sleep better.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:45 pm to 3nOut
I didn't point the finger at the rich people.
I pointed the finger at our consumerist greed, but thanks for reading my post before you decided to spout off your agenda.
Rich people are not the problem. Greed is the problem, rich does not equal greed.
I'm not just sitting here calling plays from the liberal progressive playbook. I know that's what you want to think. That's because your neocon heroes all tell you what folk like me think right? We all hate rich people. We want to redistribute the wealth. We want an America that's far from what YOU want.
You've got me all figured out, right?
Wrong. I want what you want, I want an America based on values, based on hard work, and most of all based on what I believe America is, the place that the rest of the world strives to achieve. The place that is so awesome people are willing to walk across deserts with no water for a chance to cut my lawn and live in a one bedroom apartment with 10 other people.
The idea of America is amazing, awe inspiring.
I want to keep it that way.
Stop fighting with people like me, we all want the same thing. Let's get together and make sure America remains the amazing, awe inspiring place it is, and needs to continue to be.
I pointed the finger at our consumerist greed, but thanks for reading my post before you decided to spout off your agenda.
Rich people are not the problem. Greed is the problem, rich does not equal greed.
I'm not just sitting here calling plays from the liberal progressive playbook. I know that's what you want to think. That's because your neocon heroes all tell you what folk like me think right? We all hate rich people. We want to redistribute the wealth. We want an America that's far from what YOU want.
You've got me all figured out, right?
Wrong. I want what you want, I want an America based on values, based on hard work, and most of all based on what I believe America is, the place that the rest of the world strives to achieve. The place that is so awesome people are willing to walk across deserts with no water for a chance to cut my lawn and live in a one bedroom apartment with 10 other people.
The idea of America is amazing, awe inspiring.
I want to keep it that way.
Stop fighting with people like me, we all want the same thing. Let's get together and make sure America remains the amazing, awe inspiring place it is, and needs to continue to be.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:59 pm to Stir of Echoes
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SO, the fact that I have the very rare ability to ensure the safety of a dickhead like you while you travel in an airplane moving at 600 mph along side numerous other aircraft flying at similar speeds means that I'm an overpaid welfare recipient?
I've served this country in one capacity or another for almost 20 years, and I respect your right to dick things up. However, the next time you lump all government workers into one giant shite stew, take a sip of said shite stew and then rethink things.
We're not all bureaucrats. 90% of us serve for the American people, people like you who spit on our very service to ensure you can have the infrastructure you demand.
If you don't like it go to hell sir. See if you can fly safely there.
Here's my take dickhead.
I had a cousin, first cousin, who came home from Vietnam after three tours and got a job as an air traffic controller in Memphis.
Fast forward a few years and he went on strike with the Air Traffic Controllers Union ... and Reagan fired all the fricks. He got what he deserved along with the rest of them and he admits it today ... and regrets ever being drug into that shite pile back then.
He's anti-union today.
My grandfather worked for Firestone ... unionized. He spent many months barely making it because they were always striking about something. He was a WWI and WWII vet.
He died hating the unions that forced him to go on strike when he felt there was little-to-no need.
I've recently seen police unions do totally whacked shite to the people they are supposed to be protecting.
We see union protected dickheads, like you, making the same argument as you ... spending taxpayer dollars on bullshite. It's rampant. And if a union member in the Federal government does something really fricked-up ... they cannot even be fired. Or they get put on suspension with full pay for years.
It's a gosh damn racket ... it's thievery.
frick the government unions and frick you ... you cocksucking federal government union dickhead.
This is why I normally avoid your threads like the plague. Because you're obviously a fricktard.
Oh, and I fly all the time. All the time. If you can't do the fricking job without being unionized then quit dickhead.
We should fire every fricking one of you fricktards and start all over.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:02 pm to scrooster
Oh my, I am so glad I decided to click this thread finally 
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