re: Obama's speech.

I didn't want to see or read what he had to say, but after I saw a couple of references to what he supposedly said.. I had to look.

This administration is the biggest shite show I've ever seen in the White House. I don't know if there has been less respect for his position of power, a President's policies and a clear and overriding feeling of dismissiveness of the President, both at home and internationally than there is now.

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quote: Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents.

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Well duh, none of their victims are innocent.

Lawd he sucks.

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And in two weeks, I will chair a meeting of the UN Security Council to further mobilize the international community around this effort.

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From his speech tonight, UN fuuuuuuuuucked.

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And ISIL is certainly not a state.

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What junior debate jockey crafted this steaming pile of nonsense?

What conditions for being a state do they not meet?

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To me, he simply comes off as crooked, inept, arrogant and self serving.

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I think he is just weak and idealistic.

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What he means is that these here are them douchebag Islamists. I actually thought that was pretty obvious. Clearly what he meant

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Which would still be a misrepresentation and outright lie.

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"When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."

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For centuries, leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally. The famous Iranian historian and Qur'an commentator Muhammad b. Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923 C.E.) wrote that "striking at the necks" is simply God's sanction of ferocious opposition to non-Muslims.[13] Mahmud b. Umar az-Zamakhshari (d. 1143 C.E.), in a major commentary studied for centuries by Sunni religious scholars, suggested that any prescription to "strike at the necks" commands to avoid striking elsewhere so as to confirm death and not simply wound

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Many recent interpretations remain consistent with those of a millennium ago. In his Saudi-distributed translation of the Qur'an, 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali (d. 1953) wrote that the injunction to "smite at their necks," should be taken both literally and figuratively. "You cannot wage war with kid gloves," Yusuf 'Ali argued

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Perhaps the most influential modern recapitulation of this passage was provided by the influential Pakistani scholar and leading Islamist thinker S. Abul A' la Mawdudi (d. 1979), who argued that the sura provided the first Qur'anic prescriptions on the laws of war.

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Another, albeit less-frequently, cited Qur'anic passage also sanctions beheadings of non-Muslims. Sura 8:12 reads: "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

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The practice of beheading non-Muslim captives extends back to the Prophet himself. Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.)

After the battle of Zallaqa in 1086, he had 24,000 corpses of the defeated Castilians beheaded

. Upon the Ottoman victory over Christian Serbs at the battle of Kosovo in 1389, the Muslim army beheaded the Serbian king and scores of Christian prisoners. At the battle of Varna in 1444, the Ottomans beheaded King Ladislaus of Hungary and "put his head at the tip of a long pike … and brandished it toward the Poles and Hungarians

In 1456, the sultan allowed the grand mufti of the empire to personally decapitate King Stephen of Bosnia and his sons—even though they had surrendered and, seven decades later, the sultan ordered 2,000 Hungarian prisoners beheaded

An 1807 British expedition to Egypt resulted in "a few hundred spiked British heads left rotting in the sun outside Rosetta

In early 1980, the Saudi government publicly beheaded 'Utaybi and his imprisoned followers. While outsiders may consider the Saudi practice barbaric, most Saudi executions are swift, completed in one sword blow. Zarqawi and his followers have chosen a slow, torturous sawing method to terrorize the Western audience.

Are you saying they aren't douchebags?

Interesting take.

I wouldn't elevate them to douchebags. I would say they are subhuman, neanderthal-like, heatherns.