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NSFW: Body cam footage of Louisville shooting released

Posted on 3/4/17 at 4:56 am
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 4:56 am
No gore, but guy does get shot, not fatal

Or at least it wasn't fatal at the time. Not sure of the guys condition now.

What are your thoughts?

It was his own actions that led to him getting shot IMO

Officers put their lives on the line every day. They have to make a split second decision that could end up costing them their lives if they make the wrong one.

This guy was hiding behind a mattress while officers searched his home, announcing multiple times to come out and comply. The officer we are watching finds him hiding behind a mattress and says "get your hands up" and fires at him.

Was the shot too hasty? Probably. But he put himself in that situation for her to make a decision instead of complying from the very beginning. And in another situation where the guy does have a gun and she does hesitate, she could very well be dead.
Posted by Pigfeet
Ark Mods are Fascists
Member since Mar 2010
19783 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 6:44 am to
Bad shooting, he gone get paid.

Riots should happen, she will be fired.

Trump will use A-10 Warthogs to disperse rioters.

Order restored

Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:15 am to
1. I agree he put himself in that situation when he decided to hide from cops.

2. This type of search should be done by specialized officers and they should have more than two doing the search.

3. The officer seemed to respond as if the gun was misfired.


This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 7:16 am
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119199 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:16 am to
You are searching for someone with guns drawn. Not sure if this guy had a violent past, but high intensity situation. You see a shadow behind the mattress and are startled.
Who knows if this guy had a gun or not. Tough situation. By her words it sounds like she didn't mean to discharge her weapon.

Tough to be a cop. If he had a gun in his hand, she could have been dead. Tough call.
Posted by tomsellecksmustache
Dallas, Texas
Member since Dec 2015
1786 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:47 am to
Being someone who looks at things objectively, IMO she shouldn't be charged with jack shite!! She should definitely be put through some sort of remedial training, however, he was given PLENTY of warning!! If you're given a lawful order by a police officer then fricking obey it!! 99% of the time you won't get shot!!

I've had SEVERAL encounters with police and NEVER has a situation escalated... They've always been professional and vice versa... Having served in the military and after 2 tours in Iraq, I can understand having to make split second decisions... It's sad that he was shot, BUT it could have been avoided if he'd followed instructions..
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:37 am to
Seems like a Darwin moment to me. Dude hiding during a police search of an abandoned house is not too smart. More than likely they were looking for a suspect who had already committed a crime.

No action should be taken against the officer. From what I saw, she couldn't have known that he didn't have a gun pointed at her.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:59 am to
I take it back, she shouldn't have shot him. But I understand at the same time.
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 11:02 am
Posted by LSUbase13
Mt. Pleasant, SC
Member since Mar 2008
15060 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:23 am to
quote:

I take it back, she shouldn't have shot him. But I understand at the same time.


She couldn't really tell if he was armed or not. This is that gray area where I can't really fault the officer. It shouldn't have happened, but...ehh...I'll let it slide.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
99057 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:25 am to
For the sake of context as well, we recently had a shooting here in a vacant house where a crackhead went after an officer with a metal pole and injured the officer even though he shot him. Naturally, LMPD got a lot of shite over it when we should be talking as a community about the rising number of vacant lots (it's becoming a safety issue here) AND the lack of mental health/substance abuse services that could've prevented these confrontations to begin with. I have no doubt that is all on our officer's minds.

Was she hasty in her shot? Possibly. But that's so easy for us to say not walking into that situation after identifying ourselves several times. I'll likely join any protest that forms if she's charged in her support.
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 11:26 am
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17927 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:45 am to
quote:

Officers put their lives on the line every day.

Garbage men die at higher rates, on the job... but they aren't killing people or violating civil rights on the reg. This excuse is straight lame as frick.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99057 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:28 pm to
Garbage men probably aren't assaulted or resisted on a regular basis either.

Your hyperbole is silly. I'd argue police officers are able to stem the death of their colleagues and bystanders by detaining criminals (and sometimes having to shoot/kill them) before they're able to kill them. Let's not even remotely try to pretend what a garbage man faces on the job is in the same realm as a police officer.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:55 pm to
Can't take her side on this one. Seeing the mattress standing up like that with space from the wall but not leaning on it should have been an immediate red flag to take a defensive stance and expect to encounter someone. That would have taken away the startle reflex of suddenly encountering a person and this dude might still be alive (I'm assuming he died, I don't know for sure).

He didn't help his cause, but my bottom line is: she should have been ready.

I fully acknowledge I say all of that as I sit in my chair with no threat to my person whatsoever. I also acknowledge I have never been in a manhunt, and have never tried to track down a person with a gun drawn.

But I also posit that the officer is (supposedly) highly trained and should be reasonably expected to apply the same level of critical thinking while in that situation that I can apply to it here in the safety of my home.

If she is not highly trained in that regard, she has no business going room to room with a gun drawn.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70919 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:04 pm to
I feel like cops don't know if suspects are armed a lot of times though. I understand being startled, but you have to show some restraint when your job requires you to carry a weapon.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 10:53 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99057 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:12 pm to
Personally, I think it's more a case of dealing with a growing volatile situation in the Louisville community. We have some of the highest rates of heroin usage and overdoses in the country. Vacant homes are hot beds for addicts squatting. On several occasions LMPD officers have been attacked by addicts with weapon in hand. Hiding behind old furniture, doors, etc. and "surprising" police who have identified themselves multiple times as per procedure.

And then you have the issue of potential disease transfer. Addicts have tried to stab them with dirty needles and broken spoons. It's bad.

I think we're being naive to the state of what police are dealing with by looking at it as an isolated issue.
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted by tWildcat
Verona, KY
Member since Oct 2014
19326 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 1:14 pm to
Garbage men?

They're also not being shot at and harassed by idiots as often as police officers.
Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
15973 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:48 pm to
1) dont run/hide from police or break the law and this wont happen.

2) officer should be forced to take classes preventing exactly what happened before returning to work
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17927 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

They're also not being shot at and harassed by idiots as often as police officers.

And yet they still die at higher rates, while serving the community.

Purely for funsies, what percentage of cops do you really think get shot at?
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95925 posts
Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:00 pm to
More than the percentage of garbage men shot at, I'm certain
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17468 posts
Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:39 am to
quote:

I agree he put himself in that situation when he decided to hide from cops.


Agreed

quote:

This type of search should be done by specialized officers and they should have more than two doing the search.


First there were 3 officers conducting the search. Secondly, any LEO should should be able to conduct a simple room clearing. This isn't MOUT scenario where you have to worry about spider holes and significant booby traps. The male officers had some of the basic technique down but not sure why they bypassed that first room when they first entered.

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The officer seemed to respond as if the gun was misfired.


This is utter bull shite. She had her finger on the trigger and got startled. This violates the most important safety rule of "finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire". Anyone that says you should have your finger on a trigger while searching a building is an absolute idiot because too much can happen and you are not only endangering the public but your own people in doing so. This bitch needs to ride a desk and file reports if she can not follow simple principles.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 4:53 am
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17468 posts
Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:50 am to
quote:

But I also posit that the officer is (supposedly) highly trained and should be reasonably expected to apply the same level of critical thinking while in that situation that I can apply to it here in the safety of my home. If she is not highly trained in that regard, she has no business going room to room with a gun drawn.


Most LEO's are not "highly trained". In fact they may get some annual classroom training after whatever academy they attend. The training standards vary from city to city. It is not uncommon to have adjoining municipalities where it is obvious one Dept trains to a higher standard than the other. Furthermore most officers, though better than the general public, are horrible pistol shots. I go to the range several times a month and constantly have LEO's coming up and asking for advice.
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