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Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:06 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:06 am to pvilleguru
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Then maybe your higher ups need to make a stand.
Clearly you are unclear on the concept of civilian control of the military. While flawed, it is intended to keep our military from exercising its own will the way military dictatorships do.
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:08 am to Mansa Musa
quote:Sure he can.
A black man can't be racist in the 60's bro lol
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:11 am to GnashRebel
quote:It has been used in the way a military dictatorship would do. If they are being told to fight an unjust war, then it's up to them to make that stand. Otherwise, they deserve to share the blood that is on the president's/congress's hands.
While flawed, it is intended to keep our military from exercising its own will the way military dictatorships do.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:15 am to five_fivesix
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Float like a Butterfly Sting like a Bee Let some other muthafricker Go to Viet Nam for Me. Bye, Cassius Clay.
frick him.
Any man who changes his religion, names and principles to avoid civic duty is a piece of shite.
Any man who says he's a pacifist and goes on to have a successful boxing career should die much younger. Good riddance, thanks to those who went and fought, got maimed or died.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:15 am to pvilleguru
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It has been used in the way a military dictatorship would do. If they are being told to fight an unjust war, then it's up to them to make that stand. Otherwise, they deserve to share the blood that is on the president's/congress's hands.
They are obligated to carry out their orders as long as they are legal and moral. And we keep the interpretation of that very narrow because you cannot have a military that just decides when it feels like fighting. Do you carry out acts like the Nazis did, no. Do you go to war even if you don't think it is a good idea, yes.
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:17 am to pvilleguru
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If they are being told to fight an unjust war, then it's up to them to make that stand.
Out of curiosity, why was that war more unjust than the Korean War or WWII? I am genuinely curious to understand your perspective.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:20 am to GnashRebel
bombing churches, burning little black girls, torching buses, lynching, pretty much cowardly genocide and sounds like a devil to me. Today those are certainly unsettling remarks and the fact that they are, shows the progress we've made as a civilization but at the time of those comments they were absolutely justified. That would be like you or I speaking in regards to ISIS, maybe in 50 years the situations different but as of today any comment would be justified.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:22 am to GnashRebel
quote:I don't think the Korean War was just either.
Out of curiosity, why was that war more unjust than the Korean War or WWII?
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:23 am to Mansa Musa
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bombing churches, burning little black girls, torching buses, lynching, pretty much cowardly genocide and sounds like a devil to me.
And yet MLK, Rosa Parks, etc didn't say think about white people this way. They lived in the same world just without all of the money he made.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:24 am to pvilleguru
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I don't think the Korean War was just either.
Why?
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:25 am to Mansa Musa
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why would a black man be willing to die for a country that at the time didn't provide the people of his race equal rights and equality.
There are tons of black dudes who did just that, who went and fought, maybe for money, maybe for glory. But they did it. They didn't bullshite people, they didn't lie, they tied their boots and went to one of the toughest, dirtiest, most horrible wars that has existed.
If they could do it, he could do it. It sucked, it was an awful war, but it's just what you have to do in a country. We don't say the same thing as Korea as we do as Vietnam, because that was a successful campaign.
He didn't know jack dick nothing about Vietnam, he was just a gutless, shameless, yellowbellied coward who would have claimed to be a goddamn Quaker if it was beneficial to him.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Pretty strong opinion, I'm gonna let you keep that. Not in the arguing mood just causal convo with my man Gnash. While I disagree I respect your opinion.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:38 am to GnashRebel
quote:I hear ya, like I said just different POV. I don't want to hijack the initial intent of the OP's thread.
And yet MLK, Rosa Parks, etc didn't say think about white people this way. They lived in the same world just without all of the money he made.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 11:41 am to Mansa Musa
Wars are a tough conversation. I think that finding consensus with people on what is right in respect to what is a generally immoral event is tough. Do you only go to war to preserve the safety of Americans in the US? What about US citizens abroad? What about US interests? What about US allies? What about stopping horrible acts? How horrible is too horrible? How many US lives are worth the effort? What about stopping something before it becomes a direct threat to the US? How do you wage a war and what actions are immoral? Its a tough balance.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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frick him.
Any man who changes his religion, names and principles to avoid civic duty is a piece of shite.
Any man who says he's a pacifist and goes on to have a successful boxing career should die much younger. Good riddance, thanks to those who went and fought, got maimed or died.
I completely agree. Ali was a disgrace.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:22 pm to Mansa Musa
You focused just on the draft dodging part. Why?
ETA: Ali was no hero for dodging the draft. 20 African Americans received the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War. Those are heroes. Ali was just a low IQ blow hard.
ETA: Ali was no hero for dodging the draft. 20 African Americans received the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War. Those are heroes. Ali was just a low IQ blow hard.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:31 pm to roadGator
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You focused just on the draft dodging part. Why?
ETA: Ali was no hero for dodging the draft. 20 African Americans received the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War. Those are heroes. Ali was just a low IQ blow hard.
You gotta rig that bait to be weedless man, I can see that pointy hook and I ain't biting. I will say that if he's the latter of what you described I can't wait to see what you accomplish in life being that you couldn't possibly be a lesser person than that. Cheers:
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Any man who changes his religion, names and principles to avoid civic duty is a piece of shite.
Ali was attending Muslim ceremonies in the late 50's, well before the US involvement in Vietnam.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:37 pm to Mansa Musa
You bowed out faster than OM in their regional. You must agree that Ali was a POS.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:12 pm to CowTownReb
Ali is considered the greatest heavyweight ever, and I'm ok with that, however, I can think of about 5 or 6 heavyweights that have come along since then that would have destroyed Ali.
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