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re: Minnesota homeowner goes on trial for teen intruders' deaths

Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am to
Posted by 7Dollarbill
Member since Jan 2014
107 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am to
quote:

You mean being murdered for robbery?

The consequences far outweigh the crime.


Yes.

No they do not.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35610 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am to
Quite the respect for human life many have in this thread.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18555 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:26 am to
Listen pig, I have never stolen anything in my life and I never will. You are making yourself look like a giant arse when you say stuff like that. I just realize what a waste attitudes like yours are where you shoot first, ask questions later. There's no way that you need to kill in these situations. Shooting them in the leg or arm or subduing them without a gun are far better actions.
Posted by InVolNerable
Member since Jan 2012
10203 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:27 am to
That's earned on a case-by-case basis.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
48731 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:27 am to
It shouldn't be.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69901 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:30 am to
quote:

I'm not risking some crazy backwoods Tennessee redneck blowing me away. 



I'm born and raised in Sarasota, Florida brah. No backwoods redneck here. Went to Booker Elementary, Middle and HS. Something like 90% black students at the time, I had to be incogNegro.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35610 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:31 am to
Tennessee Fan negates all of that.

I can hear the banjos from here.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
48731 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:32 am to
quote:

incogNegro

not bad gif
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16471 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:44 am to
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Shooting them in the leg or arm or subduing them without a gun are far better actions.


I doubt too many people are good enough shots or can keep their composure enough to make sure they only shoot someone in the arm or leg in a home invasion. You would also be a fool to try to subdue a home invader without a gun. What happens when you try to get them in a chokehold and they pull out their weapon? I certainly wouldn't give someone breaking into my home the benefit of the doubt that they weren't armed.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:48 am to
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Tennessee Fan negates all of that. 



that's fricking bullshite. By that logic, Bernard King is a backwoods redneck.
Posted by Yat27
Austin
Member since Nov 2010
8108 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:49 am to
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He tried another shot, but his rifle jammed


Ruger Mini-14


But seriously, dude is nuts... He should be locked up. I have no problem with anyone shooting an intruder, even if it turns out that they were unarmed. You shouldn't expect someone to wait for the burglar to produce a weapon and fire the first shot.

After they're no longer a threat, it's an execution.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:49 am to
well they got what they deserved for breaking in. I will never feel bad when a home owner kills someone breaking in. However this guy is fricking dumb, if you have no witnesses and 2 dead bodies you should have a better story.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35610 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:51 am to
He certainly is. I didn't make the rules, I just follow them.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Quite the respect for human life many have in this thread.

the problem is looking at criminals that rob and hold people up as normal human life. They are usually poor, plus they are robbers as well. they don't have souls, therefore they should be put down like pit bulls.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69901 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:55 am to
Statist bastard
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:56 am to
quote:

After they're no longer a threat, it's an execution.

i still don't feel bad for the intruders. actions have consequences. they choose to break into a nuts house
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35610 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

put down like pit bulls.


He wasn't a cop though.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19209 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:08 pm to
I'm torn on this.

First, the accused is seemingly a whack job.

Facts, as we know them:
Kids had robbed multiple houses
One kid had robbed this mans house multiple times
There were Minutes between first killing and second killing, per the article.

I wholeheartedly disagree that there is ANY premeditation since he is the victim of a crime and he had no idea when that would happen. I have a plan of action if my house is being broken into. I would argue that it cannot be premeditation.

Things don't add up.

He goes to the basement and hides, suspecting a break in in progress. First guy goes down and takes a round to the chest and then another. A seemingly obvious action after this would have the second perp fleeing, but she did not. To me, that is not only odd, but shows the threat isn't over at all.

She then goes down and is then met with resistance.

I'm good with this if it really went down this way. Pressing an attack in the robbery by going into the basement where she had to have heard multiple gunshots.... A novice criminal sure as he'll wouldn't do that. That piece bothers me.

I don't care for the home owners mindset, wording, or after actions but as a victim of multiple break ins, if this guy has a crystal clear record, a lawyer could argue that anything he says after this action can be tainted by a form of PTSD. A lawful person who has never killed is going to be fricked in the head.

I don't know the laws in MN. I don't know if he broke the law by waiting to call the police. I don't think putting a guy on a tarp is against the law, like it said, he could be severely traumatized and not thinking clearly.

I have little sympathy as breaking in is a crime that is easily avoided.

Like I said, I'm torn here.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
Crimson Tide Fan Club
Member since Oct 2012
15574 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:09 pm to
Why does eveyone get so upset when a single person dies. We have billions of them, and we make more everyday.

Sometimes people die, it is just the way the world works. It isn't that big of a deal.
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