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Yes, he would be horrified at the misuse of socialistic ideas.


Throw a couple examples my way. Thanks.

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Egalitarianism.

''However, Marxism rejected egalitarianism in the sense of greater equality between classes, clearly distinguishing it from the socialist notion of the abolition of classes based on the division between workers and owners of productive property. Marx's view of classlessness was not the subordination of society to a universal interest (such as a universal notion of "equality"), but was about the creation of the conditions that would enable individuals to pursue their true interests and desires. Thus, Marx's notion of communist society is radically individualistic.''

Vanguard Parties (Russia)

''It would be desirable if this could happen, and the communists would certainly be the last to oppose it. Communists know only too well that all conspiracies are not only useless, but even harmful. They know all too well that revolutions are not made intentionally and arbitrarily, but that, everywhere and always, they have been the necessary consequence of conditions which were wholly independent of the will and direction of individual parties and entire classes. But they also see that the development of the proletariat in nearly all civilized countries has been violently suppressed, and that in this way the opponents of communism have been working toward a revolution with all their strength. If the oppressed proletariat is finally driven to revolution, then we communists will defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds as we now defend them with words.'' -- Engels

No or little participation in the state. (Much of Latin America and Russia)

As we have seen, the state exists merely as political state. The totality of the political state is the legislature. To participate in the legislature is thus to participate in the political state and to prove and actualise one's existence as member of the political state, as member of the state. -- Marx

There are so many countless examples where ''Communists'' and ''Marxists'' have used the name of Socialism to do things that were never prescribed by Marx/Engels.





--To Kentucker

Sorry if I take the challenges, or if I've ever put words in your mouth. I am not speaking for Kentucker in any way, just from my own perspective.

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So two guys who want Socialism through harmonious (unarbitrary) discourse aren't Socialists?

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He is a capitalist.

We're not debating over want he wants under a different paradigm.

His positions all over this board are capitalist.

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I'm a dyed in the wool classical socialist, and I know for any socialist society it calls for a superabundancy -- Me.

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Marx prescribed socialism to start at a point of abundance, which is exactly the opposite of how it went down in Russia

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Do you guys even know what you're arguing for or against right now?

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Someone, who quite possibly, has Asperger's and the attention span of a four year old. I've already mentioned the superabundancy -- but you asked for reasons, not for a single reason. So I gave you several, that self-proclaimed Socialist countries have outright ignored the prescription.

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I asked him

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I think he's made it quite clear (much like the vast majority of the forum) that he doesn't wish to discuss this any further with you.

As I've always said: You never actually read the other person's post, you always compartmentalize your opponent and you're incapable of entertaining hypotheses that conflict with your own.

We're pragmatic socialists -- in that we want it when it can be achieved through education and peace (as Marx said regarding England) and not as an ersatz Guevara campaign.

March on, Don Quixote, you've more windmi--giants to slay.

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Are you going to respond to the fact that I quite clearly stated my foreknowledge of superabundancy and you completely whiffed on it,

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How did I whiff on it?

I'm convinced you're on another planet right now in terms of this entire conversation.

Let's hear this.

You're stuck in conflict mode, making it difficult for yourself to understand the difference between discussion and conflict.

I think you're swinging at air right now.

The two quotes you just shared.. I mean it's hard to even respond to such lunacy. They came from very different parts of a conversation. The first quote is dealing with my poor assumption that you were a capitalist -- which as it turns out isn't all that important to the point that was being made, which has subsequently been ignored by both of you while we dance around a discussion that you think is a debate over different aspects of socialism.

The second quote is referring to your excessively long copy and paste, which was bizarre because I wasn't contesting that, although you thought I was. The quote is saying how I would have said something in my own words, as a way to show command of the subject, and that's what I was looking for from the person (not you) who I asked to give examples.

shite. Realizing this is going to cause you further confusion. It's not easy untangling your compartmentalizations and miscomprehension.

Similar situation happened a few times in your jiu jitsu thread. Luckily that time I had someone who didn't have a connection to either of us point out how poorly you were comprehending.

I mean, listen dude, this thread is off the rails ruined. No sense in salvaging it.

I'm thinking you're actually a legit troll, accusing others of exactly what you're doing as a way to screw with people and get them to leave you alone. I hope that's the truth. Otherwise you're truly and honestly nuts because everything you accuse of me is what you do to the extreme.

Since you're so sure I'm the one that compartmentalizes and not you, I challenge you to limit your quote snipping, even try straight up replies like this one and get into a real discussion.

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My fiancee

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vengeanceofrain

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someone is actually going to marry you???