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Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:30 am to Supreme Tiger
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So neither of you are going to touch how this contradicts your defenses of capitalism. About right.
Why should we? Why would anybody want to discuss anything with you? All they'll get are insults. What's wrong with you?
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:39 am to Kentucker
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Why should we? Why would anybody want to discuss anything with you? All they'll get are insults. What's wrong with you?
You could have just said -- Yes, Supreme Tiger, it does contradict our defenses of capitalism.
It would have been more respectable.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I have sickle cell trait and both my dad and uncle have full blown sickle cell anemia, as well as one of my two younger brothers the only thing saving m and my younger brother is were basically mixed, If I had a child with anyone with the faintest trace of sickle cell the child would have full blown sickle cell. my fiancee who is of Norwegian decent actually has a black (slave) great great grandmother and this worries me but I don't see it being an issue because or the whole can't have kids deal
quote:honestly couldn't care less as long as it's mine lol. As long as I'm the only guy in there I'm good
ou're probably the best person I could ask the following question. How would you feel about having a child that had your and your wife's DNA plus the DNA of a third person?
I have sickle cell trait and both my dad and uncle have full blown sickle cell anemia, as well as one of my two younger brothers the only thing saving m and my younger brother is were basically mixed, If I had a child with anyone with the faintest trace of sickle cell the child would have full blown sickle cell. my fiancee who is of Norwegian decent actually has a black (slave) great great grandmother and this worries me but I don't see it being an issue because or the whole can't have kids deal
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:46 am to Supreme Tiger
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So neither of you are going to touch how this contradicts your defenses of capitalism.
When have I ever defended capitalism? I literally had a thread defending Socialism/Communism.
I'm a dyed in the wool classical socialist, and I know for any socialist society it calls for a superabundancy, which is impossible to attain with overpopulation.
This is beyond economic models.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 12:53 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm a dyed in the wool classical socialist, and I know for any socialist society it calls for a superabundancy, which is impossible to attain with overpopulation.
For tonight, we're going to leave this at this -- overpopulation needs to be defined.
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This is beyond economic models.
It's not when we need to understand how and why we got to where we are today.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:54 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think it bothers you that we're similar.
We've found a similarity with the grappling.
Socialism. You liked Bernie, yes? Me too.
But I think it scares you that I have more clarity and potency in my words than you -- which presents an existential threat to you because subconsciously you're wondering if someone this verbally balanced could really be wrong about all the crazy things he believes.
Goodnight, my limping gazelle.
We've found a similarity with the grappling.
Socialism. You liked Bernie, yes? Me too.
But I think it scares you that I have more clarity and potency in my words than you -- which presents an existential threat to you because subconsciously you're wondering if someone this verbally balanced could really be wrong about all the crazy things he believes.
Goodnight, my limping gazelle.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:03 am to Supreme Tiger
Man you're weird. 
As a PS.: It doesn't bother me. It's the way we approach conversations. The only person I outright insult is you, because I have no problem having conversations here with anyone else.
I'm about progress, you're about disruption. There's not a single conversation that you enter that doesn't become mired in controversy and insults.
We're probably very similar in many ways, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't make alliances or dislike people for what we have in common.
Economically, Kentucker and I may be complete opposites, but when it comes to overpopulation we've come to the exact same conclusion. The mutual respect, however, is why the two of us could enter any conversation with any amount of disparity and actually come to a harmonious conclusion -- and that's the important part of these moments.
Sweet dreams.
As a PS.: It doesn't bother me. It's the way we approach conversations. The only person I outright insult is you, because I have no problem having conversations here with anyone else.
I'm about progress, you're about disruption. There's not a single conversation that you enter that doesn't become mired in controversy and insults.
We're probably very similar in many ways, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't make alliances or dislike people for what we have in common.
Economically, Kentucker and I may be complete opposites, but when it comes to overpopulation we've come to the exact same conclusion. The mutual respect, however, is why the two of us could enter any conversation with any amount of disparity and actually come to a harmonious conclusion -- and that's the important part of these moments.
Sweet dreams.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:09 am to Supreme Tiger
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But I think it scares you that I have more clarity and potency in my words than you -- which presents an existential threat to you because subconsciously you're wondering if someone this verbally balanced
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all the crazy things he believes.
At least you admit it.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:07 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Economically, Kentucker and I may be complete opposites,
Maybe not so much. I regard socialism as the ideal economic model for an advanced human society. One that is in harmony with its environment. Socialism as applied by humanity in its current state inevitably devolves into a dictatorship. The lust for power and influence is just too strong.
In nature, a simple example of perfect socialism is the hive. There is no leader. There is a "queen" but that animal does not have a status that even closely resembles the human version. Its "job" is to establish the colony and supply workers. It does not govern. Governing is done by consensus.
Of course, humans are much more complicated organisms that have evolved in a much looser form of socialism. However, it is our strong nature to incorporate socialism into our interactions with others. From family units to federal governments, it's the common needs of the group that drive our organized efforts. We ballyhoo individualism in our society but when push comes to shove we rally around the social ideal to solve our communal problems and to advance our benefits.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:48 pm to Kentucker
Or we can spread out and colonize the Galaxy. I like that idea better.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:26 pm to Kentucker
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I regard socialism as the ideal economic model for an advanced human society.
I agree with ideal but I also think it's going to be that by default eventually. When we have more control, more transparency (this is happening against the will of the people with the invention of the internet, but is way more accepted now). I kind of think Marx was predicting more than prescribing.
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Socialism as applied by humanity in its current state inevitably devolves into a dictatorship. The lust for power and influence is just too strong.
And it's really not Socialism, not at the fundamental levels. It's more like using the banner to pass your ideology -- in most ''Socialist'' countries, the people have little or no say in the direction of the countries' economy (the purpose of socialism) nor the government. Almost no communal ownership in sight for the common worker.
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From family units to federal governments, it's the common needs of the group that drive our organized efforts. We ballyhoo individualism in our society but when push comes to shove we rally around the social ideal to solve our communal problems and to advance our benefits.
Yes, sir. True individualists don't drive on public roads.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:37 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Supreme Tiger
And this is your biggest problem -- you love to compartmentalize everyone you debate.
In our jiujitsu debate, you claimed, ad nauseam, that I must have been an amateur or someone who had never grappled before even though I had demonstrated that I had at least rudimentary knowledge (and certainly more than a novice) but, since it conflicted with your premise you chose to ignore it and completely misrepresent what I was saying.
In this debate, you've claimed that Kentucker and I are both Capitalists, and when inquired both of us are actually Socialists (loosely speaking, in the manner that perhaps it's the best model but we're uncertain).
You have this thing where you have to accuse people, as if you have Tourette's, with no actual evidence to what they think. It's not the first time, it's not the second time.
You just insult and ignore the protests, trudging along tilting at windmills and then proclaiming how you've won while the crowd stares at you awkwardly wondering why you're fighting straw dragons when there are real, tangible giants on the horizon.
That's why for now on, I shall refer to you by Don Quixote.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:45 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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In our jiujitsu debate, you claimed, ad nauseam, that I must have been an amateur or someone who had never grappled before even though I had demonstrated that I had at least rudimentary knowledge (and certainly more than a novice) but, since it conflicted with your premise you chose to ignore it and completely misrepresent what I was saying.
Don't try to salvage that dumpster fire in this thread. Have a little respect for yourself.
What's most sad is you believe what you just wrote. You've built in your head that that's true when it couldn't be further from the truth.
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In this debate, you've claimed that Kentucker and I are both Capitalists, and when inquired both of us are actually Socialists (loosely speaking, in the manner that perhaps it's the best model but we're uncertain).
He's a capitalist.
Regardless, what you are is irrelevant to the point that was made -- which has yet to be answered. Instead we're doing this dance. Hmm..
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:54 pm to Volatile
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Or we can spread out and colonize the Galaxy.
We can't as the biological meatbags of our current form. We are supremely adapted to life only on earth.
We will have to become a cyborg hybrid of man and machine or, ideally, entirely mechanical forms. The latter will allow us to explore a very wide variety of exoplanet conditions, none of which are likely to be similar enough to earth to accommodate our current forms.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I agree with ideal but I also think it's going to be that by default eventually.
Yes, well, that implies that humanity will reach an advanced stage wherein individual power is unimportant. I'm not at all confident by what's happening on earth at this time.
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I kind of think Marx was predicting more than prescribing.
Yes, he would be horrified at the misuse of socialistic ideas.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:57 pm to Kentucker
You want to sterilize 90% of the planet and turn the human species into a machine.
I mean, holy christ.
And I'm out there for thinking it's a little whack to believe the nonsensical official explanation of 911.
The internet.. what a place.
I mean, holy christ.
And I'm out there for thinking it's a little whack to believe the nonsensical official explanation of 911.
The internet.. what a place.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:09 pm to Kentucker
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Yes, well, that implies that humanity will reach an advanced stage wherein individual power is unimportant. I'm not at all confident by what's happening on earth at this time.
I can see it happening only through a more educated populace in a different system. What I don't like is the mixing of egalitarianism and Marxism by Orthodox/Third Wave Marxists (using Third Wave humorously) who seem to have no idea what the writings were about, or seem to care.
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Yes, he would be horrified at the misuse of socialistic ideas.
''There has never been a person more misrepresented by his followers or his opponents alike than Karl Marx.''
Poor bastard, you could generate power for all humanity by the spinning he must be doing in his grave.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:11 pm to Kentucker
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Yes, well, that implies that humanity will reach an advanced stage wherein individual power is unimportant. I'm not at all confident by what's happening on earth at this time.
Is it within your considerations that man would evolve consciously, in a natural sense, which would change the value system and change how we operate. It seems it's already taking place -- as people are finding it harder to imagine physical conflict with another nation, which is why nation states have turned more to proxy armies.
What are you thoughts on psychedelics as a means to grow conscious?
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Yes, he would be horrified at the misuse of socialistic ideas.
Throw a couple examples my way. Thanks.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:14 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Maybe not so much. I regard socialism as the ideal economic model for an advanced human society. One that is in harmony with its environment.- Kentucker
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He's a capitalist.
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