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re: Map of the US showing ancestry by county
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:57 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:57 pm to hawgfaninc
We need more Eskimos.
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:59 pm to hawgfaninc
One of the apparently ubiquitous German counties in MO.
Good thing I fit in with my German surname
Good thing I fit in with my German surname
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:59 pm to hawgfaninc
No Scottish? List is shite.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:08 pm to hawgfaninc
So, there's like only 72 white folks in SC? Interesting
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Himmler? Meier? Redenbacher?
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:49 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Most people that refer to themselves as American are probably the groups that came prior to the mid 1850s. The early English and scotch-Irish peoples have been here long enough to lose much of their association with the old country. And many have bloodlines that fought in the Revolutionary War. They are American.
Newer groups like the Irish in the 1850s, and Italians in the early 1900s, still have attachment to their prior countries.
Exactly ... Americans are those of us who .... well frick it, everybody just watch Gangs of New York.
My family, and even my wife's family, both came here prior to 1750 through Charleston.
We're both English, Scotch-Irish and I do have a distant pinch of Dutch-German mixed in. SC is loaded with Lutherans.
I was always taught that you can tell a lot about an area by the dominating religion in the area. This area is actually know as Dutch fork for instance.
I lol at that map claiming African+American dominance throughout this state though .... that's total bullshite.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:53 pm to Masterag
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So, there's like only 72 white folks in SC? Interesting
That map is total bullshite. We have seven counties in this state that are majority African-American. This state, in it's entirety, is maybe 20% Aftican-American. 95% of them are on welfare though ... and it pisses me off.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:08 pm to blue_morrison
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Himmler? Meier? Redenbacher?
Felder
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:13 pm to scrooster
Well I guess it's good you don't live in KY. 20% of them are on welfare, and they're all white.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Felder? Ha! I know your lil' bro very well. D is a good kid; I got to know him pretty well a few years back, was very proud to see him finish and get that job. Hope he's doing well.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:20 pm to hawgfaninc
Die wacht am Mississippi.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:25 pm to Masterag
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Well I guess it's good you don't live in KY. 20% of them are on welfare, and they're all white.
Kentucky has their coal mining problems thanks to Obango ... can't really blame coal miners for that.
You don't wanna be white and on welfare in SC for long .... your arse will be ostracized, shamed and publicly humiliated to no end.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:26 pm to Masterag
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I know your lil' bro very well.
Ah no way!
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was very proud to see him finish and get that job.
Man, I was more proud at his graduation than my own, believe it or not
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Hope he's doing well.
He is! I talk to him like 4-5 times a week. Miss that crazy kid
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah, I know I'm gonna be prouder at my bros graduation than mine, too. Guess that's justt part of the deal. Lol
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:09 am to scrooster
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That map is total bullshite. We have seven counties in this state that are majority African-American.
It's not majority, it's plurality in most cases.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:12 am to Masterag
I guess so
Is your bro an Ag, too? Best of luck to him at any rate!
Is your bro an Ag, too? Best of luck to him at any rate!
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:20 am to OleRockyTop
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American county
If you look at "American country" two things spring to mind. 1. Folks here have been here for ages and 'conveniently' forgot their roots. 2. Much of that is because there was melungeon (triracial groups) as well as multiracial groups in the Appalachians. E. TN, in particular was a "maroon zone" where people ran away to and those people were Indian, Black and white indentures along with some Spanish and others classed as People of color.
The Lumbee of VA were the same way but unlike the melungeons of TN who could vote and were declared 'white' despite some who had dark skin, the Lumbee were treated like crap, especially when Plecker came to power in VA. He was a believer in eugenics and instituted the one drop rule in VA and generally an evil SOB who oppressed anyone he even thought was a one-dropper.
Plecker wrote to the state of TN demanding melungeon surnames but was refused. We'd already had an older court case that declared them white and at the time they were pretty darn dark skinned.
At any rate a lot of folks in this area have mixed heritage which to me makes them all-American BUT I get the feeling that the reason we say "American" is due to both time spent here as well as forgetting where we came from in terms of the multiple strands.
More on Plecker: LINK
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:27 am to TbirdSpur2010
Nah, he went to TX State. Thanks!
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:28 am to Prof
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"maroon zone"
Gig 'Em
Good post, though. Very intriguing.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:56 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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"maroon zone"
Gig 'Em
Good post, though. Very intriguing.
We were precognizant that we'd help y'all in Tejas out. In all seriousness, Melungeon history is fascinating. It's the only time I know of that a group that had obviously dark skinned/non-white members and heritage was declared "white" all the way around out of pure pragmatism and stubbornness on the part of regular white men (in the small mountain counties people not only intermarried but simply didn't have time for that shite - you needed your neighbor), although there were melungeons who looked white, black, native american, Mediterranean etc. even back then most thought of those who looked black but the state of Tennessee said "nope, they're Portugese/Mediterranean."
FWIW, I think it helped that a lot of Melungeon women were known to be exceptionally attractive. But that's just a guess.
When Plecker wanted all the surnames in the 1930s/40s because there was a lot of back and forth between TN and VA and he was one of the most racist bastards that ever lived (seriously Plecker inspired Germany - no shite), our Sec. of State, slowplayed him and eventually denied him outright.
Oh and you probably don't know this but Chavis is famous melungeon name. There's even several melungeons from generations back named John Chavis. What throws me off is that our Chavis was born in SC but that hardly matters as there's a migration and family pattern where melungeons and free POCs move from SC, NC, to the 'maroon zone' of E. TN. The Carolinas are where they came from in the late 1700s and beyond.
One strand of my family was persecuted (white indentured woman + free person of color) in NC. They had to pay a tax because they lived together and because she had black children. Later, she and her children were 'bound out' by the courts and while her punishment was legal by the laws of the day, her children's were not (one was bound out to a master for "apprenticeship" and another as a servant way past the legal limit for a Free Person of Color. The black father descended from a family that fought in the Revolutionary War and is considered one of the founding Free People of Color Families.
^All that tripped me out when I learned of it. I knew I had a little bit of native blood but I didn't have a clue about any black/FPOC heritage. And I dunno... reading about ancestors being bound out by the court made slavery and pre-slavery suddenly real to me in a way history books don't, if that makes sense. Maybe it's just me but it had a profound impact and I really didn't expect their to be one.
Anyways... I know you love history so:
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