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Justifiable shooting by police officer?
Posted on 6/13/15 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 6/13/15 at 11:54 pm
A man was shot and killed by an officer in town (Louisville, KY) this afternoon and naturally there's already a large debate over the shooting with a lot of talk over "alternative methods" and "avoidance of killing the man".
After watching the video, I have to wonder exactly what people suggest the officer should have done when the drunken man came after him with a heavy metal flag pole (that he hit him so hard with it broke in half).
Thoughts?
Video midway through the article
After watching the video, I have to wonder exactly what people suggest the officer should have done when the drunken man came after him with a heavy metal flag pole (that he hit him so hard with it broke in half).
Thoughts?
Video midway through the article
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Posted on 6/13/15 at 11:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
Not gonna read this but if the victim was other than white, yes.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:05 am to BluegrassBelle
I'm the last person to defend cops. But if you assault a cop in any way, it's going to be a justifiable shoot.
I have no fricks to give about this.
I have no fricks to give about this.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:31 am to BluegrassBelle
Why is it that cops are supposed to win every fight every time, yet aren't allowed to actually hurt anyone? If you can't hold your liquor well enough to not attack people, then maybe you shouldn't drink....or at least know better than to attack the dude in the blue suit with a Glock pointed at you. fricktards.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:34 am to Tantal
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Why is it that cops are supposed to win every fight every time, yet aren't allowed to actually hurt anyone? If you can't hold your liquor well enough to not attack people, then maybe you shouldn't drink....or at least know better than to attack the dude in the blue suit with a Glock pointed at you. fricktards.
I would go even further and say probably not walk down a major downtown street after assaulting a woman (why the cop stopped to begin with).
I'm just trying to figure out what exactly he should've done differently. The guy wasn't just resisting, he was outright attacking the officer with a weapon. People here are losing their shite and saying he should've been tazed/sprayed with pepper spray/etc.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 4:50 am to BluegrassBelle
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heavy metal flag pole (that he hit him so hard with it broke in half).
Sounds like it was actually a cheap, flimsy, and thin piece of metal if it actually broke in half. Besides that glaring bit of emotion invoking frickery, you can't expect to assault anybody with a weapon and not expect gunfire in response... especially a cop.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 6:17 am to BluegrassBelle
Was the pole made in China?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 8:46 am to BluegrassBelle
We as a nation need to decide: either officers should be expected to preserve life at all costs (possibly their own), or citizens should be expected to comply with officers under the penalty of death. This middle of the road shite is getting us nowhere.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 8:56 am to BluegrassBelle
You know I don't have any sympathy for cops, but of you actually assault one you get what you get, I have been fortunate that all they ever did to me was beat the shite out of me or taze me into oblivion, but it's been several years since I hit a cop and I wouldn't do it today cause the frickers shoot a whole lot quicker today than they used to.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:42 am to PrivatePublic
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This middle of the road shite is getting us nowhere.
Escalation of Force (EOF) is a process that trains the employment of force up to and including deadly force. "Middle ground" exists because every situation that requires the employment of force requires the employment of judgment.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 10:38 am to BluegrassBelle
what a Darwin awards nominee. that dude successfully removed himself from the gene pool.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 10:51 am to BluegrassBelle
Should have held him down and spit some beech nut in that dude's eye, then shoot him with a 45.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:19 am to BluegrassBelle
I got a question. Why is there a law about equal force when it comes down to civilian vs civilian but when a cop gets involved it switches??? You don't find this odd??? For frick sake if somebody hits me with a metal rod and I kill them there will be a mass investigation most likely resulting in some type of jail time for me
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:29 am to ehole
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Sounds like it was actually a cheap, flimsy, and thin piece of metal if it actually broke in half. Besides that glaring bit of emotion invoking frickery, you can't expect to assault anybody with a weapon and not expect gunfire in response... especially a cop.
Those flag poles can be reasonably heavy for those large "SALE" flags for businesses. That said, it could've also been used to impale the officer once it broke. That's pretty much the textbook definition of a deadly weapon. Not sure where that's "emotion invoking frickery".
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:32 am to CarolinaCock
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For frick sake if somebody hits me with a metal rod and I kill them there will be a mass investigation most likely resulting in some type of jail time for me
I can't speak for Carolina but laws here allow you to use deadly force if you feel your life is threatened. This came up in a case here where a man stabbed and killed a 14 year old who was beating the shite out of him on a TARC bus. It never went to court after the video came out. And that was a black homeless man who committed the stabbing as well.
The officer is also on administrative leave while they investigate. And it's all over the news. Seems like a "mass investigation" to me.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:40 am to pioneerbasketball
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Was the pole made in China?
All Poles should be made in Poland, are they outsourcing now?
Festivus pole and that thing probably does not break.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
Too bad the woman he was assaulting didn't take him out. Women and children beaters don't deserve to live.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:02 pm to Silverback
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Escalation of Force (EOF) is a process that trains the employment of force up to and including deadly force.
LOL. That's great in theory but shite in reality. Once the dude has the metal pipe in hand, force has been fully escalated - there is no process. At that point, it's either let the cops put the sucker horizontally permanently, or make them take him down with hand to hand tactics. We have to pick one and live with the consequences.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:15 pm to PrivatePublic
Somebody attacks me with a pole I'm shooting their moronic @ss.
Reasonable standard.
Reasonable standard.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:24 pm to Tantal
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or at least know better than to attack the dude in the blue suit with a Glock pointed at you. fricktards.
Play stupid games...
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