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re: Is Mississippi the Hate State?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:18 am to reggierayreb
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:18 am to reggierayreb
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Discriminate is the wrong word
Freedom goes both ways (pardon the pun)
I don't agree with it and it's really bad business if you ask me ... But any company, from a Multinational to an LLC, has the right to refuse to do business with or provide services to any individual if they so choose...
The Liberal, Jew run media has told you that this is unacceptable ... But the bill has passed... So it is what it is.
great post. maybe not the jew part, but everything else.
i think if i want to be a bad businessman and turn away business, it should be my prerogative.
i'm a big detractor of homosexuality but i'd never turn away business with a gay or a marrying couple i don't agree with.... but i'll fight for the rights of some a-hole to do it. i may not use their services for anything as a result, but i think he has that right.
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:55 am to 3nOut
No one should have a right to dictate to the public marketplace. If you're offering a service, you offer it to everyone. If you're selling something, you offer it to everyone. This is the way it has always been and it has worked well. You either deal with every customer or you don't deal.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:02 am to No Colors
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Or, do you think the state should force someone to make it for you?
I bet the same was said in the 60s regarding blacks.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:02 am to Kentucker
Except this is not the way it has always been. That's why businesses have signs hanging up saying "we have the right to refuse service to anyone"
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:06 am to 3nOut
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but i'll fight for the rights of some a-hole to do it. i may not use their services for anything as a result, but i think he has that right.
So in the 1960's a black couple walks into a bakery and wants a wedding cake made for them. That owner should be able to turn them away because he doesn't like blacks? That's his right?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:40 am to DynastyDawg
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DynastyDawg
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This is all fricking stupid. There shouldn't have to be a god damn law that says this in the first place. The United States has restricted the term "freedom" so much in the past 20 years that it's not freedom anymore.
If you want to refuse service to someone, that should be your right as a business owner. Let the fricking free market decide what to do with them. If there are enough people in an area that won't go to said business because they disagree with the discrimination being shown, then the business will fail and vise versa.
frick, people it's not that hard.
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I personally would not want to spend my money with someone that did not like me for what ever reason. If I was gay and wanted a cake I would want to support (with my money) someone who approves of my lifestyle.
I understand someone having the freedom to be whatever they want, but that same freedom should extend to the business owner.
But... what if florists decided to not do wedding for heterosexuals? No flowers for weddings anymore...
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:41 am to BayouBengal6884
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Except this is not the way it has always been. That's why businesses have signs hanging up saying "we have the right to refuse service to anyone"
So many people confuse any one with any group. Yes, any business can refuse any customer for any reason.
However, when a business refuses service to every member of a group, a minority for example, then that's discrimination.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:48 am to alphaandomega
Businesses thrived that were for whites only. We've advanced beyond that, sure, but that's because folks stood up when they witnessed something wrong occurring. The business surviving is completely irrelevant; this isn't a matter of economics. This is about human decency.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:15 am to cas4t
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That's his right?
it absolutely is.
now, i would never support anybody that had that view (or in more relevant times, won't bake a cake for gays) or take patronage in their business, but i'm not going to force him to do something he doesn't want to do either.
i'd rather embarrass or put somebody who has views i don't like out of business by word mouth and boycotting than getting the government to do it for me.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:20 am to Don Johnson
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They should write a law where all businesses refuse to serve Wtodd's children.
Then, your kids can open a business and refuse service to anyone that's not them. Surely a bank would give a loan to them based on that business plan.
Problem solved, right?
Same thing for the one black guy in town. He can open his own business and just refuse service to whites.
Thanks for the completely stupid reply to my post. Instead of bitching about something, people should do something about it. BTW, if any business wants to refuse service to me......fine with me because someone down the street is more than willing to take my business. And unlike you I won't sue and cry in front of the cameras.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:25 am to cas4t
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cas4t
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Businesses thrived that were for whites only. We've advanced beyond that, sure, but that's because folks stood up when they witnessed something wrong occurring. The business surviving is completely irrelevant; this isn't a matter of economics. This is about human decency.
You mention human decency. Does it really matter if some racist bastard doesnt want to make a pizza for a black person? I think the black person should be glad to know how that asshat feels, and he spends his money with someone who wants his business. I try to not shop at places where I feel unappreciated. Like fast food places, some of the employees act like it is an imposition to take my order. I dont think it is because I am white, I think it because the employee is a lazy shithead.
I really dont care about this law. I own a business and I will gladly sell to anyone. I dont care if you are a black, gay, Jewish person. I want your money. I will do whatever I can to sell you want you want to buy. I will do it with a smile and hope you will return to my business when you need something the next time.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:28 am to 3nOut
Do you Civil Rights Act of 1964 under Title 42, Chapter 21 bro?
It doesn't include gay or transgender, but it's most certainly not a business owner's right to turn away business based on race. It's only a matter of time before this definition is expanded to include gay and transgender people. You could sue and win today for being bigoted against for being gay. A commercial Employment Practices Liability policy is going to pay and pay a lot.
Not to mention the Supreme Court basically has total control of what is and is not considered a civil right, but race is specifically listed as well as religion and national origin.
Are you essentially arguing that we should do away with the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
It doesn't include gay or transgender, but it's most certainly not a business owner's right to turn away business based on race. It's only a matter of time before this definition is expanded to include gay and transgender people. You could sue and win today for being bigoted against for being gay. A commercial Employment Practices Liability policy is going to pay and pay a lot.
Not to mention the Supreme Court basically has total control of what is and is not considered a civil right, but race is specifically listed as well as religion and national origin.
Are you essentially arguing that we should do away with the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:30 am to alphaandomega
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I think the black person should be glad to know how that asshat feels
think about what you just said. Are you black? Can you possibly imagine walking into a restaurant with your significant other, being called a n*gger and told to get the frick out?
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I try to not shop at places where I feel unappreciated
Unappreciated and being bigoted against are not even in the same realm and I can't believe I even have to type that out.
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Like fast food places, some of the employees act like it is an imposition to take my order.
You just compared rude fast food workers to racism.
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I dont think it is because I am white, I think it because the employee is a lazy shithead
You answered your own question. They are inherently different.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:32 am to alphaandomega
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I really dont care about this law
The Supreme Court will strike down this law and others like it to avoid anarchy. We're in this together.
We are guaranteed civil rights by a Constitution that isn't selective. It's the common thread that runs throughout our democratic republic. It holds no clauses for "equal but separate."
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:36 am to Wtodd
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.fine with me because someone down the street is more than willing to take my business
Seriously, do you really think gay people are just being thin skinned for being discriminated against?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:36 am to cas4t
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Are you essentially arguing that we should do away with the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
that's a heck of a slippery slope friendo. i can say that i don't agree with that chapter of civil rights as it's written and not disagree with the civil rights act itself and what it stands for. get that bullshite logic out of here.
do i think the government should be able to treat a race, gender, or sexual preference differently than others?
hell no.
do i think citizens have the right to be bigots or aholes as business owners?
hell yes. you and i can just choose not to give them money.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:37 am to 3nOut
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it absolutely is.
by the way I literally laughed out loud at this. How can you really not have basic knowledge of the Civil Rights movement?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
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that's a heck of a slippery slope friendo. i can say that i don't agree with that chapter of civil rights as it's written and not disagree with the civil rights act itself and what it stands for. get that bullshite logic out of here.
you said "it absolutely is" when I asked if it's a business owners right to only serve whites. Do I need to quote the title and chapter I was referencing?
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do i think citizens have the right to be bigots or aholes as business owners?
Yea, so I never said otherwise. The point is that they should have to serve blacks, gays, etc. Please point out where I said they shouldn't be allowed to own a business.
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hell yes. you and i can just choose not to give them money.
and this is where your logic fails. Your experiences with "taking your business elsewhere" is irrelevant as this is not a matter of economics. It is quite literally, according to the Constitution, a matter of civil rights. Your argument is beyond flawed. It's more of a personal opinion than anything.
Feel free to read up on it.
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There are laws against employment discrimination as well and I am genuinely curious as to your antiquated and simplistic views on that.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:43 am to cas4t
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by the way I literally laughed out loud at this. How can you really not have basic knowledge of the Civil Rights movement?
that's a right as i see it in the constitution. we could agree or disagree with what laws have come since then that loosened or firmed up those rights.
i think we're not far off from each other here. truly. i absolutely agree that there are laws that can be applied that would force me to bake a cake for a gay couple and it's pretty easy to go back to civil rights and numerous other laws to find that.
i'm arguing that those tenants of the civil rights act and subsequent laws afterwards aren't constitutional to begin with because of the private citizen vs. the government. it's probably a personal opinion as you said.
the problem is that i can have the attitude of "private citizen can discriminate however they want" but never support them and you probably think i'm a racist and homophobe.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:49 am to 3nOut
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we could agree or disagree with what laws have come since then that loosened or firmed up those rights
I'm aware and can assure you that they have not loosened up. In my work I see discrimination suits quite literally weekly.
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i'm arguing that those tenants of the civil rights act and subsequent laws afterwards aren't constitutional to begin with because of the private citizen vs. the government
And my argument is that civil and human rights take precedent when a specific group is being discriminated against.
we aren't talking about bad customer service here. You are implying we should allow the free market to fix bigotry, which has never successfully happened in the history of mankind.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 12:14 pm
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